2015 Pilot Discussion.

[Phoenix]

Only the West was stupid enough to think of the Nic as a "prize". You've clenched the "Nic or Nothing" strategy from day 1. And now Letter T rights for West pilots is the latest demand from the West leadership brain trust.

The West is just a happy paradise based on one assumption after another. Winning??!! :Lol:

 

[Claxon]

This is what you get when you reward a brat to get him to shut up. No more time-outs, it's time to spank the punks.

More layers of glass being prepared for the Fishbowl if she backs the west and over reaches the 9 th.
Better call Shanghai for another order of ties. The current ones are fraying around the edges.

 

[Claxon]

A firm grip on the prize, for ten years now, and counting.

Mitch Vaselino has steered the west into another legal swamp. Mitchs' blunders never live rent free.

 

[jimntx]

How old is the youngest pilot on either side of this conflict.  (If they were hired after this debacle started, they don't count.  They knew what they were getting into and hired on anyway.)  I'm just curious as to how long this thread will go on until all of you involved have retired, and there won't be anyone left who cares enough to post anything about this issue.

 

[EastCheats]

How old is the youngest pilot on either side of this conflict.  (If they were hired after this debacle started, they don't count.  They knew what they were getting into and hired on anyway.)  I'm just curious as to how long this thread will go on until all of you involved have retired, and there won't be anyone left who cares enough to post anything about this issue.

 
Sometimes there is more to it than age. It's who slipped through the cracks
 
Exhibit 1: East US
 

 

[snapthis]

How old is the youngest pilot on either side of this conflict.  (If they were hired after this debacle started, they don't count.  They knew what they were getting into and hired on anyway.)  I'm just curious as to how long this thread will go on until all of you involved have retired, and there won't be anyone left who cares enough to post anything about this issue.

The process will move along towards combined operations despite complaints from the usual malcontents. After the hearing in Phoenix these are the next steps:


Seniority List Integration Update (APA)

Seniority list integration hearings are scheduled to convene Sept. 29Oct. 2 at the Sheraton Pentagon City Hotel. The hearings will generally be open, and pilots will be allowed to observe as space allows. However, portions of the hearings containing information and data subject to confidentiality agreements and restrictions may be closed to observers. The arbitration board consists of arbitrators Dana Eischen, Ira Jaffe and M. David Vaughn.

The parties are required to exchange position statements, witness lists and proposed exhibits no later than Sept. 19. Each party shall include with its pre-hearing statement its proposed seniority list integration methodology. APA will post all releasable SLI-related documents on the SLI page of alliedpilots.org, including hearing transcripts when available.

Pursuant to the agreed-upon procedural ground rules, each party may make opening statements when the first hearing begins followed by each committee presenting its direct case. The East Pilots Seniority Integration Committee will present first, followed by the West Merger Committee, and then the AA Pilots Seniority Integration Committee. After direct cases have been presented, each committee will have an opportunity for rebuttal following the same order of presentation. Rebuttal cases are expected to be presented during the hearings scheduled for January 2016.

Additional hearings are scheduled for the weeks of Oct. 1216, 2015, and Jan. 48 and 1115, 2016. The Oct. 1216 hearings will be held at the Hotel Palomar. The January 2016 hearings will be held in the Washington, D.C., area at a location to be determined.

 

[EastUS1]

The only party responsible for years of a substandard contract is the East Pilots. To suggest otherwise is insulting to basic intelligence.

 
This would of course be clearly evidenced by the "basic intelligence" never even tested for by AWA (which your posted premise alone clearly proves)...well...other than to sign on with such an almost-unbelieveable-bottom-feeder that would actually require it's even potential inmates to buy stock that soon proved worthless, offer both the most laughable pay rates in aviation as well as NO pension plan whatever, and of course work at whatever pickaninny duties illustrious management wished of them otherwise to boot?...And all for the privelege of even just calling themselves "pilots"?  Whew! Thanks for the always dependable laughs kid. 😉
 
The fully truthfull bottom line is that NO even supposed "pilot" (in their even slightly right "mind") ever took a job at AWA that so much as had ANY other actually offered options....Period....Or perhaps it was all just for the love of the PHX locale? 🙂

 

[EastUS1]

 
....ALPA still here.....

 
So is obama, starving children in many areas of the world, incessant warfare, and heck; even the bubonic plague has resurfaced...Your point being? 🙂

 

[EastUS1]

..... No more time-outs, it's time to spank the punks.

 
So accept the wager already little pussycat, and let the whole world see just how "you'se" personally "spank the punks" (as opposed to just your own "monkey") mighty "spartan soldier" in the "army of leonidas".....No?  Why not kid? 😉
 
"You'se" easy familiarity with the term "punks" must needs come from having finally learned to shave and thus face a mirror to do so....? 🙂

 

[EastUS1]

Marty Harper

 
Might as well be P.T. Barnum. Have fun in PHX kids....And pay no attention to both the company's issuances, the APA, "the man behind the curtain" in general in the meanwhile.
 
Umm...the only thing I'm yet "surprised" at's the lack of monuments to "sparta" being eagerly established in all the legacy Amercian bases....Go figure?
 
No matter. Kudos on your latest volley of "we love lawyers"...and, as always; good luck with all that. Your latest "actions" placed "you'se" even more squarely in the sights of the APA's people, with even the company (amazingly) again proving somewhat less than your "Best Friends Forever", and none of your posters evidence even the slightest understanding of ANY of that...."You'se" kids are honestly the most utterly clueless people I've ever encountered in even the most remote fringes of the aviation community.
 
An honest question though: Exactly WHAT is it you fine folks honestly expect to gain from the/any courts here? Set aside (for at least a moment) all the childish rhetoric, and instead explain how you imagine all this actually playing out? What's "you'se" expectation for the actual results of your 8+ years now noble efforts in direct and purely real-world terms?...This should be good for a chuckle or two....So?
 
Oh well. No matter, I suppose; we'll have to wait and see just how well the tip of the tail truly does wag the whole dog...or not. 😉

 

[luvthe9]

All the money the west scabs have spent and still stuck in the fishbowl.........with no NIC..... ......and to think they could have had it years ago.......WYE they did not.......what a mistake.

 

[cactusboy53]

All the money the west scabs have spent and still stuck in the fishbowl.........with no NIC..... ......and to think they could have had it years ago.......WYE they did not.......what a mistake.

Not DESPERATE at all, Johnny Boy. Now what "smiley face" do you use to insinuate that luvthe9 is a moron?

 

[EastUS1]

Not DESPERATE at all,....

 
I've never suggested "you'se" were, since achieving "DESPERATE" would require a far greater amount of situational awareness. I'd think the words clueless and perhaps even pathetic more suitably apply here.
 
cactusboy53: "Now what "smiley face" do you use to insinuate that luvthe9 is a moron?" Well, you could always try more "Big Smiles", or perhaps even another rousing round of "This is Sparta!" Personally?...I'd prefer another "This is Sparta!" since I can always laugh myself to sleep over that bit kid. 😉

 

[luvthe9]

Not DESPERATE at all, Johnny Boy. Now what "smiley face" do you use to insinuate that luvthe9 is a moron?

I'll be upgrading long before you flounder, accept the fact the NIC is long done, like Blomgren says you need to take responsibility for that. Enjoy the fishbowl.



You are the desperate one.

 

[N924PS]

This would of course be clearly evidenced by the "basic intelligence" never even tested for by AWA (which your posted premise alone clearly proves)...well...other than to sign on with such an almost-unbelieveable-bottom-feeder that would actually require it's even potential inmates to buy stock that soon proved worthless, offer both the most laughable pay rates in aviation as well as NO pension plan whatever, and of course work at whatever pickaninny duties illustrious management wished of them otherwise to boot?...And all for the privelege of even just calling themselves "pilots"?  Whew! Thanks for the always dependable laughs kid. 😉
 
The fully truthfull bottom line is that NO even supposed "pilot" (in their even slightly right "mind") ever took a job at AWA that so much as had ANY other actually offered options....Period....Or perhaps it was all just for the love of the PHX locale? 🙂

As usual, spouting your usual bile.

I can tell you from personal experience and acquaintance that there are many fine former America West pilots. Many of them actually came from your favorite pipeline, the USAF, after retirement , to begin a second career.

Not many airlines were hiring in 1983, and PSA even furloughed.

So the prospect of getting in on the ground floor of a new airline with a chance for a possible quick upgrade to Captain must have sounded pretty good to those that applied to America West.

One might wonder how you arrived at lowly PSA in 1986. Why a man of your considerable qualifications would accept employment at a 55 plane regional airline when American and Delta we're hiring is beyond me. Perhaps it had something to do with the easy commute from Travis AFB to LAX or SFO? It wasn't the money, because PSA didn't pay as well ask the big boys. Maybe it was the "shiny jet syndrome", trading a 4 engine USAF cargo jet for a brand new 4 engine BAE146.

The really ironic twist of this story can be illustrated by an anecdote from an all hands meeting where PSA Chairman Paul Barkley announced cutbacks in 1983. Someone asked him to comment on that startup airline over in Phoenix and what impact, if any, it would have on PSA's plans.

Mr. Barkley chuckled and said, "Oh America West? They won't even be around this time next year!"

Well guess what? They're still around, and now running the largest airline in the world......

And it was the hard work and dedication of those pilots and other employee groups that you malign so unkindly, that kept them afloat in hard times while competing nose to nose with Southwest at PHX. Much like the good people at USAirways kept it flying through TWO CH11 bankruptcies....