2015 Pilot Discussion.

[EastUS1]

I pity you, loser. You always try to impress yet fail miserably.
3-2-1 hours of posting to follow.

 
Nope. I'll simply leave "you'se" with the obvious observations:
 
1) For over 8 years now all you've done is "righteously" whine like pathetic little children, vainly but viciously promising how things will be different just so soon as you grow up and become annointed rulers of the whole world. 😉
 
2) Your current fantasies revolve around the absurd notions that the APA's somehow "supportive" of your bunch, and don't really just want you trampled under their feet and stapled as best they can manage.
 
3) Side current fantasies also include the idea that 3 arbitrators will of course universally bow themselves down to something contrived over 8 years ago that clearly failed on any functional basis.
 
4) The latest from upper management again reiterates that they want nothing in the way of added training expenses and haven't the slightest thoughts of going against a no-bump/no-flush principle, leaving you all to watch as attrition and opportunity goes anywhere but to yourselves for another year to come, since  the additional latest from them indicates at least an almost full additional year before even the IT department will be able to handle full system bidding of any kind anyway.
 
5) Whatever your sad degree of personal indignation is, you're current level of hopes/dreams/threats/whatever is entirely laughable.
 
Have a nice night princess..and don't forget to threaten, splutter, spit, pout, drool, whine, etc to your little heart's content.

 

[traderjake]

Contracts are for a few years, seniority is permanent. 

 
 
Seniority is like crew meals..................................................................according to the guys who didn't get crew meals. 

 

[EastCheats]

 
Nope. I'll simply leave "you'se" with the obvious observations:
 
1) For over 8 years now all you've done is "righteously" whine like pathetic little children, vainly but viciously promising how things will be different just so soon as you grow up and become annointed rulers of the whole world. 😉
 
2) Your current fantasies revolve around the absurd notions that the APA's somehow "supportive" of your bunch, and don't really just want you trampled under their feet and stapled as best they can manage.
 
3) Side current fantasies also include the idea that 3 arbitrators will of course universally bow themselves down to something contrived over 8 years ago that clearly failed on any functional basis.
 
4) The latest from upper management again reiterates that they want nothing in the way of added training expenses and haven't the slightest thoughts of going against a no-bump/no-flush principle, leaving you all to watch as attrition and opportunity goes anywhere but to yourselves for another year to come, since  the additional latest from them indicates at least an almost full additional year before even the IT department will be able to handle full system bidding of any kind anyway.
 
5) Whatever your sad degree of personal indignation is, you're current level of hopes/dreams/threats/whatever is entirely laughable.
 
Have a nice night princess..and don't forget to threaten, splutter, spit, pout, drool, whine, etc to your little heart's content.

 
Yawn.....
 
Oh, puleeezz don't go. I'm mildly entertained. Would you tell me a war story Commander McBragg? You've earned my disrespect.
 
Ciao

 

[luvthe9]

Q. All right. And so if I represented to you that [/size]1,475 West pilots gained an average of 2,416 days of length of service (in the West proposal) over what they actually earned in the West system, you have -- you haven't done that research.[/size]




A. I can't recall if that's close to what --I know that the American Committee also calculated it and, you know, I think everybody comes up with different numbers. But ... [/size]




Q. [/size]Does that sound right?[/size]


A. Yeah, sure.[/size]MR. WILDER: Thank you. No more [/size]




questions.[/size]

Windfall...,,,,,.

 

[cactusboy53]

Agreed to the process. Final and Binding. PS: Your opinion DOES NOT COUNT. So simple thast Claxy should get it.

Sorry Johnny Boy, the last 8+ year's of your attacks makes you a liar, a cheat and a thief.

 

[Pi brat]

Agreed to the process. Final and Binding.

Would you agree that applies to the protocol agreement too? Your lawyer seems to have an issue with that.

 

[Pi brat]

West Committee Members testify under oath that they place themselves and other West pilots ahead of other pilots with 12, 16, and even up to 21 years more length of service.. Page 1181-1187.. but there is no need for anyone to analyze the "fairness and equitableness" since we can all implicitly apply to today what Nicolau did oh so many years ago in a galaxy far far away. 
 
Entertainment aplenty!

I remember reading somewhere that the LAA committee said that the west wanted to use the east's longevity. Seems they were correct.

 

[Metroyet]

West Committee Members testify under oath that they place themselves and other West pilots ahead of other pilots with 12, 16, and even up to 21 years more length of service.. Page 1181-1187.. but there is no need for anyone to analyze the "fairness and equitableness" since we can all implicitly apply to today what Nicolau did oh so many years ago in a galaxy far far away. 
 
Entertainment aplenty!

So what? Better than the unemployment line wasn't it? Every one of these whining complaints was presented to Nicolau.

 

[luvthe9]

Nope. We just want you to HONOR your commitment, even if it takes ANOTHER Final & Binding Arbitration.
So simple, even Claxy, Johnny Boy & the rest of the USAPA faithful could get it - but they NEVER will.

The courts say otherwise Davey.




"USAPA is at least as free to abandon the Nicolau Award as was its predecessor" / There not only is no 'federally mandated' arbitration, there is no arbitration at all, merely a predecessor union's bargaining proposal.







Wye oh Wye don't you get it yet

 

[cactusboy53]

Would you agree that applies to the protocol agreement too? Your lawyer seems to have an issue with that.

 
Sorry Pi, the FINAL & BINDING came FIRST.  You just don't get it, do you?

 

[cactusboy53]

The courts say otherwise Davey.




"USAPA is at least as free to abandon the Nicolau Award as was its predecessor" / There not only is no 'federally mandated' arbitration, there is no arbitration at all, merely a predecessor union's bargaining proposal.

Eye don't you get it yet

 
Oh my Johnny Boy.  USAPA cherry-picking as usual.  Remember this:
 
[SIZE=12pt]“Of course, in negotiating for a particular seniority regime, USAPA must not breach its duty of fair representation. Accordingly, if USAPA wishes to abandon the Nicolau Award and accept the consequences of this course of action, it is free to do so.  By discarding the result of a valid arbitration and negotiating for a different seniority regime, USAPA is running the risk that it will be sued by the disadvantaged pilots when the new collective bargaining agreement is finalized. An impartial arbitrator’s decision regarding an appropriate method of seniority integration is powerful evidence of a fair result. Discarding the Nicolau Award places USAPA on dangerous ground.”[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]Judge Roslyn O. Silver, Chief United States District Judge[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]No. CV-10-01570-PHX-ROS ORDER; October 11, 2012[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]You REALLY don't "get it", do you??  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KoKWf6pLs8[/SIZE]

 

[Pi brat]

Sorry Pi, the FINAL & BINDING came FIRST.  You just don't get it, do you?

You have a hard time answering simple questions. Just like "when you were a PHX USAPA rep, did you advise your pilots that the MOU was illegal?"

First, second or 23rd, the point is the same.

Your attorney is nearly as arrogant as you.


"MR. FREUND: I think of this kind of 20 direct examination as one of my strong points. 21 ARBITRATOR VAUGHN: Also called cross of 22 your own witness."

 

[Pi brat]

Oh my Johnny Boy.  USAPA cherry-picking as usual.  Remember this:
 

“Of course, in negotiating for a particular seniority regime, USAPA must not breach its duty of fair representation. Accordingly, if USAPA wishes to abandon the Nicolau Award and accept the consequences of this course of action, it is free to do so.  By discarding the result of a valid arbitration and negotiating for a different seniority regime, USAPA is running the risk that it will be sued by the disadvantaged pilots when the new collective bargaining agreement is finalized. An impartial arbitrator’s decision regarding an appropriate method of seniority integration is powerful evidence of a fair result. Discarding the Nicolau Award places USAPA on dangerous ground.”
 
Judge Roslyn O. Silver, Chief United States District Judge

No. CV-10-01570-PHX-ROS ORDER; October 11, 2012
 
You REALLY don't "get it", do you?? 

Your use of the Nic, and your previous arguments, will haunt us all. I hope LAA does mention that you guys wanted to staple over 900 active pilots, or that Nic didn't use the snapshot fleet.

 

[Phoenix]

So what? Better than the unemployment line wasn't it? Every one of these whining complaints was presented to Nicolau.

You guys don't get it. You have an important choice to make between two extreme arguments... Pick one.

1. "It (the Nic) was final and binding", so you Mr. BOA MUST USE THE NIC, I swear on your fat moms grave.... Or..
2. "Once upon a time in yonder year, it (the Nic) was abundantly (or at least implicitly) fair and equitable" so you Mr. BOA should by all means please, please, please (with cherries on top) please, please just F-ing use the damn thing NOW, and forget about your fat mom references.

Either the BOA will use it because it is binding on them (without any need to consider its impact), or they will analyze it and conclude it is fair and equitable (and also amazingly it is exactly .. exactly what they specifically want to use, within the wide range of reasonableness of their own discretion. Wow!)

Hint: You must persuade them of one or the other. It's doubtful they will implicitly accept your conclusion.

 

[Metroyet]

You guys don't get it. You have an important choice to make between two extreme arguments... Pick one.
1. "It (the Nic) was final and binding", so you Mr. BOA MUST USE THE NIC, I swear on your fat moms grave.... Or..
2. "Once upon a time in yonder year, it (the Nic) was abundantly (or at least implicitly) fair and equitable" so you Mr. BOA should by all means please, please, please (with cherries on top) please, please just F-ing use the damn thing NOW, and forget about your fat mom references.
Either the BOA will use it because it is binding on them (without any need to consider its impact), or they will analyze it and conclude it is fair and equitable (and also amazingly it is exactly .. exactly what they specifically want to use, within the wide range of reasonableness of their own discretion. Wow!)
Hint: You must persuade them of one or the other. It's doubtful they will implicitly accept your conclusion.

Implicit assumptions. Your go to tag line. There is absolutely, positively nothing implicit about the Nicolau award. It was mutually agreed upon. Fact. It took months of work and millions of dollars to craft. Fact. It was final and binding. Fact. It was accepted by the company. Fact. If anyone is implicitly assuming facts it's you. Why do you implicitly assume the illegal behavior of yourselves to thwart implementation has a greater bearing on the outcome than actual facts the West brings to the table. Why do you implicitly assume that lack of implementation means a complete do over to your sole advantage? Wasn't DOH the "Gold Standard "? No? Not anymore? Is that just another implicit assumption that didn't work out?

You're the only ones who think the Nic was t fair. Even the Senile Judge Tashmia said that the East pilots were the only ones who cared about this and that "it was your problem ". Keep begging though. It's great to see Wilder wheel out illegal activity to justify your proposal (aka revisionist fantasy).