2015 Pilot Discussion.

[Claxon]

Scott Kirby held a PHX meeting recently where he stated;
 
west 757's are gone soon.
 
west airbuses brought to the merger will be gone soon.
 
west training facility will be gone soon.
 
west is the least profitable hub.  (He was tactful)
 
west pilots will still be in the PHX fish bowl for at least a year or more.
 
 
previous west pilot mantra::::''''"""
 
"we only want what we brought to the merger."
 
Kirby also stated you will have that.

 

[cactusboy53]

It's so funny that you keep referencing Kirby, like what he says will have anything to do with the final & binding that will be delivered by the BOD.

 

[EastUS1]

It's so funny that you keep referencing Kirby, like what he says will have anything to do with the final & binding that will be delivered by the BOD.

 
An honest question for you: Where do you now imagine the PHX people will sit on the arbitrated list?
 
cactusboy53: "It also does not give them guidance to do ANYTHING them deem fair & equitable. ZERO. They can deliver ANY list." Eight-plus years now of childish "spartan" nonsense and just how much wasted in legal fees?....?
 
Again: Where do you now imagine the PHX people will sit on the arbitrated list? What could nowadays even begin to possess "you'se" to still imagine/fantasize yourselves the "chosen ones" in any/all of this mess?..Or is that merely a matter of long-established habit?
 
Suggested philosophical study for all "spartan soldiers"/"liberty"-Tie-and-"Integrity Matters"-T-shirted-princesses. 😉
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZbKHDPPrrc

 

[Claxon]

It's so funny that you keep referencing Kirby, like what he says will have anything to do with the final & binding that will be delivered by the BOD.

Au contraire sir, Kirby and Russ Webers significant other kept bringing up the fact of the future wests isolation in the fish bowl, with only one west pilots timid inquire of such. Watch the video for proof.
 
The Legacy american pilots will not hand this SLI finality debacle over to an arbitration boards decision, they have not been to an SLI without a stapler since their inception, in the early 60's.
 
You west pilots will be given a choice in the future, on the fish bowl for infinity, or a vote on a SLI settlement. 
 
My guess is that the majority of the west pilots will choose to leave the fish bowl.
 
Bookmark this please, I will.

 

[EastUS1]

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The Legacy american pilots will not hand this SLI finality debacle over to an arbitration boards decision, ....

 
We very much differ there. I've seen nothing to date to evidence even the least bit of actual intelligence within the APA's fully fragmented and wholly dysfunctional "leadership".

 

[Claxon]

 
We very much differ there. I've seen nothing to date to evidence even the least bit of actual intelligence within the APA's "leadership".

The Trojan Horse.

 

[EastUS1]

The Trojan Horse.

 
Hardly. One must reference the "must-have/let's just do it" concessionary contract during a time of never before even dreamt of industry profits. Just yet more don't-ever-actually-fly-"politicians" seeking to feather their own personal nests, and methinks hardly the sorts to do other than make any result "the arbitrators' fault".....All human institutions become corrupt over time, as they fill with the vilest sorts that seek only personal advancement and comfort over the initially established ideals...just witness even the USA's "government" in these extremely sorry times. The APA's been around long enough to nowadays be largely staffed at the top by just such petty "politicians"....The "It's really not our fault guys!" arbitration will thus be done.

 

[Claxon]

 
Hardly. One must reference the "must-have/let's just do it" concessionary contract during a time of never before even dreamt of industry profits. Just yet more "politicans" seeking to feather their own personal nests, and methinks hardly the sorts to do other than make any result "the arbitrators' fault".....

Company and APA work together.
 
Contracts are for a few years, seniority is permanent. 

 

[EastCheats]

Company and usAPA worked together.
 
Contracts are for a few years, seniority is permanent. 

Speaking from experience?
 
Fixed it for you. Notice the fix is in lower case  😉
 

 

[EastUS1]

Speaking from experience?
 
Fixed it for you. Notice the fix is in lower case  😉
 

 
Sigh..You poor, sad, simple child...You really just don't have even the slightest clue yet.

 

[EastCheats]

 
Sigh..You poor, sad, simple child...You really just don't have even the slightest clue yet.

 
Scram... What do you know? You're not exactly the source of useful information.
 
I'll stick with the transcripts. 😉

 

[EastUS1]

.....
 
I'll stick with the transcripts. 😉

 
Whatever works best for you kid. The overhwelmingly vast majority of the involved pilots are largely content outside of PHX, but none can doubt that your new "Best Friends Forever" at the APA are losing sleep over your plight, as well the arbitrators, who of course universally sense your abundant "righteousness"....and, well...as always; good luck with all your fantasies.

 

[Phoenix]

Q. All right. And so if I represented to you that 1,475 West pilots gained an average of 2,416 days of length of service (in the West proposal) over what they actually earned in the West system, you have -- you haven't done that research.




[SIZE=11pt]A. I can't recall if that's close to what --I know that the American Committee also calculated it and, you know, I think everybody comes up with different numbers. But ... [/SIZE]




[SIZE=11pt]Q. Does that sound right?[/SIZE]


[SIZE=11pt]A. Yeah, sure.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]MR. WILDER: Thank you. No more [/SIZE]




[SIZE=11pt]questions.[/SIZE]




 
 

 

[EastCheats]

Whatever works best for you kid. The overhwelmingly vast majority of the involved pilots are largely content outside of PHX, but none can doubt that your new "Best Friends Forever" at the APA are losing sleep over your plight, as well the arbitrators, who of course universally sense your abundant "righteousness"....and, well...as always; good luck with all your fantasies.

I pity you, loser. You always try to impress yet fail miserably.
3-2-1 hours of posting to follow.

 

[Phoenix]

West Committee Members testify under oath that they place themselves and other West pilots ahead of other pilots with 12, 16, and even up to 21 years more length of service.. Page 1181-1187.. but there is no need for anyone to analyze the "fairness and equitableness" since we can all implicitly apply to today what Nicolau did oh so many years ago in a galaxy far far away. 
 
Entertainment aplenty!  
 

 
 
Q. So I want to make sure I understand the way you did the calculation.




[SIZE=11pt]So for Mr. Connell, his date of hire by US Airways was May 19, 1986. [/SIZE]
And you would do his length of service calculation from that date,




[SIZE=11pt]May 19, 1986, to the snapshot date. [/SIZE]Is that right?
[SIZE=11pt]A. That's what we do for every pilot on the [/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]list, yeah.[/SIZE]
Q. And so for him that would give him 10,066 days of length of service. 
A. yeah. That's 30 years, so, yeah. 
[SIZE=11pt]Q. Okay. And then on the US Airways list, as you describe in Slides 10 and 11, [/SIZE][SIZE=10pt]you have a West pilot, Mr. Braid, who is a member of [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]your committee.[/SIZE]




[SIZE=11pt]Is that right? [/SIZE]
A. Yes, he is. 
Q. And his date of hire by America West was November 16, 1998. 




[SIZE=11pt]You calculate his length of service as[/SIZE] 5,502 days, for Mr. Braid 




















[SIZE=11pt]A. That's correct. [/SIZE]
Q. Okay. Now, under this US Airways list, you put Mr. Braid senior to Mr. Connell.




A. I didn't do that. Arbitrator Nicolau did that.
[SIZE=11pt]Q. Well, you constructed the list; right? [/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]A. Arbitrator Nicolau constructed the list. I updated it. [/SIZE]
Q. All right. Mr. Connell is a Group 2 Captain.




[SIZE=11pt]A. If you say so.
Q. And so that would take Mr. Braid as a [/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]Group 2 First Officer, put him in a seniority position with Group 2 Captains. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]A. Yes. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]Q. Okay. And in the East system, that's the [/SIZE][SIZE=10pt]intervening positions of Group 3 FO and Group 4 FO. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]So that's effectively three category and status promotions. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]A. I wouldn't characterize it that way. [/SIZE]
Q. So the effect of that list is to place Mr. Braid ahead of a pilot with 4,500 more days length of service, or 12 and a half years prior.




A. And that was the case when Arbitrator Nicolau put the list together, yes. 
[SIZE=11pt]...[/SIZE]
Q. Or a difference between FO Ferguson and Capt. Thompson of 5,943 days, which is over 16 years length of service.




[SIZE=11pt]Is that right?
A. Yep. The math is correct.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]...[/SIZE]




















Q..But nonetheless, that difference for Mr. Ziegler of being put junior to a pilot with 21 and a half less years of service is the effect of the list you used in this system; right? 
A. That is the effect of the Nicolau list, yes.