2015 Pilot Discussion.

[CactusPilot1]

 
Obvious obfuscation.  You can't defend your stupid self so you throw some non-germane b*** s*** into the argument in the vain attempt to sound intelligent.
 
It didn't work.  You're still stupid.

 
He's a lot smarter than you NYC scab.

 

[EastUS1]

 
He's a lot smarter than you NYC scab.

 
Heck, if NYC's willing; I'll sponser an observed and documented IQ test challenge between the two. Umm...You needn't throw your hat in the ring, being an obvious half-wit yourself though...Sorry kid, but again; "it is what it is" in this world. 😉 I'll cheerfully wager on NYC winning hands-down.
 
Quite frankly?...I'd guess any given lab rat could probably best the likes of yourself and "eastcheats" collective "genius" anyway....
 
This is your cue to again puff up your hollow chest, fully bluster a bit, and do your very best to "impressively talk tough"....We can always use more laughs around here kid. 😉
 
BTW: "Eastcheats" posting history fully presents as female in nature....Explain the "He's" part?

 

[Phoenix]

The word "scab" misapplied is repugnant, unless its some Westie using it in their thrashing about, frothing the water of the fishbowl, attempting to splash people on the other side of the country.... then its just kinda the usual, expected bad manners (and empirical evidence that USAPA did everything it was ever intended to do).    
 
The waves in PHX are ginormous.  

 

[EastUS1]

The word "scab" misapplied is repugnant, unless its some Westie using it in their thrashing about, frothing the water of the fishbowl, attempting to splash people on the other side of the country.... then its just kinda the usual, expected bad manners (and empirical evidence that USAPA did everything it was ever intended to do).    
 
The waves in PHX are ginormous.  

 
Be gentle: "the usual, expected bad manners" seems to be all these self-styled "spartan" kids can actually manage.

 

[snapthis]

 
Sigh...Trust me on at least this much: I'd not EVER trade "lives" with the likes of "you'se" even if my own depended on it. 😉 There's a perversely infantile megalomania that runs rampant through "sparta"PHX....and the past 8 years have taught me that I really couldn't even expect "you'se" to see things other than through the twisted and distorted lenses of your own tiny perspectives.
 
For possibly the very-best-ever Joke of the Day: Who EVER lay awake at night secrectly dreaming of becoming an AWA "captain" in PHX? 🙂

 
After reading another round of your ignorant rants, I dream I see you salute and congratulate Gen Hoefert , (PHX based AA FO) on his promotion today.
 
 
https://dema.az.gov/army-national-guard/biographies/col-john-e-hoefert

 

 

[Pi brat]

You are a smart guy, you have been following the SLI arguments, you know what the West committee proposes.
 
And you are right, we  (i.e. the LCC pilots)  are screwed because of the scab union and the east pilot's BS for the past decade.
 
But, we won't get hammered as bad as you fear, because the West's contract was not that inferior to the LAA pilots, and was somewhat better than their stand alone Horton bankruptcy plan and contract.

So you're planning on cherry picking by using east longevity and west contract. Got it. Great strategy.

 

[cactusboy53]

So you're planning on cherry picking by using east longevity and west contract. Got it. Great strategy.

Nope. Just doing everything we can to shove the product of an agreed upon process down your throat. Open wide..

 

[Claxon]

Average Annual Wages and Salaries - PILOT AND CO-PILOT PERSONNEL
NO ADJUSTMENTS MADE
1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014
American $ 112,190 $ 116,470 $ 131,651 $ 137,971 $ 130,099 $ 132,477 $ 123,244 $ 126,335 $ 130,019 $ 129,947 $ 137,734 $ 138,290 $ 138,743 $ 138,792 $ 137,482 $ 139,872 $ 139,963 $ 140,689 $ 147,312 $ 151,558
Continental $ 90,461 $ 108,561 $ 124,152 $ 154,401 $ 161,395 $ 166,752 $ 163,624 $ 136,686 $ 140,028 $ 145,061 $ 128,724 $ 123,618 $ 133,318 $ 136,253 $ 150,211 $ 156,458 $ 178,727 $ - $ - $ -
Delta $ 129,315 $ 134,016 $ 131,249 $ 121,885 $ 143,880 $ 150,549 $ 185,982 $ 173,365 $ 197,380 $ 209,330 $ 155,532 $ 127,268 $ 128,756 $ 125,616 $ 132,374 $ 142,801 $ 150,099 $ 158,227 $ 181,804 $ 193,555
Northwest $ 154,635 $ 131,641 $ 126,107 $ 142,578 $ 128,100 $ 134,441 $ 138,427 $ 148,084 $ 161,931 $ 169,208 $ 143,618 $ 117,556 $ 132,009 $ 120,798 $ 146,675 $ - $ - $ - $ - $ -
United $ 135,728 $ 146,249 $ 147,212 $ 135,886 $ 117,920 $ 132,126 $ 138,627 $ 184,429 $ 116,998 $ 132,010 $ 115,242 $ 114,985 $ 115,711 $ 119,460 $ 125,465 $ 124,228 $ 125,690 $ 143,076 $ 164,581 $ 185,430
US Airways $ 127,154 $ 132,437 $ 135,623 $ 135,762 $ 128,722 $ 119,513 $ 157,090 $ 153,587 $ 154,638 $ 132,741 $ 120,124 $ 91,419 $ 103,487 $ 113,851 $ 111,329 $ 110,199 $ 109,535 $ 118,240 $ 121,069 $ 157,127
America West $ 77,093 $ 82,589 $ 86,289 $ 85,117 $ 75,045 $ 99,221 $ 99,301 $ 92,148 $ 92,111 $ 100,269 $ 101,279 $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ -
--sub Network $ 124,353 $ 128,147 $ 132,550 $ 134,301 $ 129,881 $ 136,773 $ 146,041 $ 150,515 $ 145,082 $ 150,572 $ 133,466 $ 120,889 $ 126,615 $ 127,031 $ 133,979 $ 136,685 $ 142,089 $ 144,378 $ 160,495 $ 175,846
Southwest $ 107,109 $ 106,862 $ 110,905 $ - $ 109,958 $ 110,601 $ 112,259 $ 117,558 $ 130,069 $ 144,511 $ 157,420 $ 165,882 $ 167,112 $ 172,750 $ 176,726 $ 192,289 $ 203,196 $ 187,551 $ 194,598 $ 197,782
jetBlue $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ 22,132 $ 56,644 $ 93,332 $ 93,532 $ 95,841 $ 96,734 $ 98,927 $ 105,893 $ 107,647 $ 124,680 $ 140,546 $ 139,744 $ 139,687 $ 147,109 $ 148,428
AirTran $ 54,838 $ 65,770 $ 68,926 $ 75,335 $ 85,709 $ 89,593 $ 98,055 $ 95,809 $ 96,527 $ 99,311 $ 100,952 $ 104,265 $ 108,549 $ 128,225 $ - $ - $ -
Frontier $ - $ - $ - $ 27,592 $ 29,091 $ 37,516 $ 102,065 $ 109,865 $ 110,417 $ 112,256 $ 99,879 $ 102,726 $ 108,905 $ 107,707 $ 96,119 $ 101,126 $ 113,250 $ 116,122 $ 116,366 $ 125,811
Virgin America $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ 73,576 $ 63,993 $ 75,869 $ 92,070 $ 106,630 $ 134,541
--sub LCC $ 104,933 $ 102,696 $ 90,662 $ 42,482 $ 94,394 $ 93,100 $ 103,964 $ 110,930 $ 118,997 $ 129,200 $ 134,414 $ 138,041 $ 140,335 $ 141,328 $ 147,776 $ 157,991 $ 167,612 $ 168,703 $ 175,162 $ 178,560
Alaska $ 104,893 $ 106,838 $ 114,791 $ 52,344 $ 52,773 $ 132,140 $ 141,808 $ 151,734 $ 163,211 $ 160,974 $ 145,953 $ 129,620 $ 130,022 $ 132,877 $ 163,096 $ 150,061 $ 153,530 $ 155,024 $ 159,858 $ 159,839
Hawaiian $ 74,565 $ 75,803 $ 79,762 $ 76,402 $ 1,859,096 $ 79,289 $ 90,924 $ 111,463 $ 105,289 $ 121,216 $ 132,782 $ 125,350 $ 126,812 $ - $ 117,351 $ 120,097 $ 117,354 $ 119,225 $ 134,667 $ 145,434
Allegiant $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ 47,559 $ 47,861 $ 56,870 $ 65,419 $ 83,839 $ 89,398 $ 87,993 $ 91,712 $ 94,616
-- sub Other $ 98,089 $ 100,372 $ 107,795 $ 54,637 $ 61,422 $ 119,120 $ 130,189 $ 142,453 $ 146,566 $ 147,649 $ 132,102 $ 121,036 $ 118,392 $ 118,887 $ 137,507 $ 131,830 $ 133,707 $ 134,423 $ 141,709 $ 143,591
Total All Sectors $ 122,702 $ 125,956 $ 129,090 $ 127,624 $ 123,509 $ 132,567 $ 141,695 $ 145,965 $ 141,849 $ 147,394 $ 133,569 $ 124,080 $ 129,065 $ 129,802 $ 137,194 $ 141,306 $ 147,610 $ 149,640 $ 162,922 $ 174,655
Note: Shaded data means data appear questionable.
Data Source: US DOT Form 41 via BTS, Schedule P6 & P10.
Your response to my pointing out your lie ?

Nic4us- your comments regarding Massachussetts Institute of Technology salary data versus Angry F/O supplied data?

 

[Claxon]

Nope. Just doing everything we can to shove the product of an agreed upon process down your throat. Open wide..

Cutting the line and shoving. Pretty much sums up the entitlement generation.

 

[Claxon]

http://youtu.be/EXznzB5v8vI

 

[EastCheats]

Scorn? From who? Would you like to see my emails from AA pilots. You have done nothing but embarrass your group.
I didn't vote for USAPA.

I've seen what your AA "friends" say about you on the C&R's.

They use terms like:

Obfuscate

ˈäbfəˌskāt/
verb
render obscure, unclear, or unintelligible.
"the spelling changes will deform some familiar words and obfuscate their etymological origins"
synonyms: obscure, confuse, make unclear, blur, muddle, complicate, overcomplicate, muddy, cloud, befog
"mere rationalizations to obfuscate rather than clarify the real issue"


Misdirect

ˌmisdəˈrekt,ˌmisdīˈrekt/
verb
send (someone or something) to the wrong place or in the wrong direction.
"voters were misdirected to the wrong polling place"
aim (something) in the wrong direction.
"he misdirected a shot"
(of a judge) instruct wrongly.
"the appeals court was satisfied that the trial judge had misdirected the jury.


Slur
slər/

1.
an insinuation or allegation about someone that is likely to insult them or damage their reputation.
"the comments were a slur on the staff"
synonyms: insult, slight, slander, slanderous statement, aspersion, smear, allegation; informalsmack talk


I've seen LAA posters use these terms in the following manner:

"You deflect, misdirect, obfuscate and slur the poster"

Which leads one to the following conclusion.

"I don't trust you and never will"

Keep building those bridges

 

[Pi brat]

I've seen what your AA "friends" say about you on the C&R's.
They use terms like:
Obfuscate
ˈäbfəˌskāt/
verb
render obscure, unclear, or unintelligible.
"the spelling changes will deform some familiar words and obfuscate their etymological origins"
synonyms: obscure, confuse, make unclear, blur, muddle, complicate, overcomplicate, muddy, cloud, befog
"mere rationalizations to obfuscate rather than clarify the real issue"
Misdirect
ˌmisdəˈrekt,ˌmisdīˈrekt/
verb
send (someone or something) to the wrong place or in the wrong direction.
"voters were misdirected to the wrong polling place"
aim (something) in the wrong direction.
"he misdirected a shot"
(of a judge) instruct wrongly.
"the appeals court was satisfied that the trial judge had misdirected the jury.
Slur
slər/
1.
an insinuation or allegation about someone that is likely to insult them or damage their reputation.
"the comments were a slur on the staff"
synonyms: insult, slight, slander, slanderous statement, aspersion, smear, allegation; informalsmack talk
I've seen LAA posters use these terms in the following manner:
"You deflect, misdirect, obfuscate and slur the poster"
Which leads one to the following conclusion.
"I don't trust you and never will"
Keep building those bridges

He's gotten awfully quiet lately, hasn't he?

 

[Pi brat]

Nope. Just doing everything we can to shove the product of an agreed upon process down your throat. Open wide..

"Shove down your throat" has a negative connotation. If it was fair and equitible, why not use words like "Show you the wisdom..."?

Does it bother you that I highlight what might be a weak spot in your argument? The LAA pilots already have.

Hang in there CB, it's almost over.

Hey, while we're here, did you or Holmes tell anyone that the MOU was illegal prior to the vote?

 

[CactusPilot1]

He's gotten awfully quiet lately, hasn't he?

 
That's because nobody wants to associate with liars and cheats like yourself.
 

 

[Pi brat]

That's because nobody wants to associate with liars and cheats like yourself.

No, I don't lie or cheat. It's because he was clueless, and has no answer. He supported the Nic when he didn't think it would affect him, then had an "Oh crap!" moment and realized it could. Now he wants to limit YOUR movement. Do you support him?