2015 Pilot Discussion.

[EastUS1]

So, while you are congratulating the retiring east pilots who lost $1/2 million from their retirements so some junior easthole could get to a captain seat ....

 
"so some junior easthole could get to a captain seat"? Seriously? I'd have paid twice that and more to keep pathetic, purely opportunistic and self-obsessed (not to mention utterly worthless) little punks like "you'se" from stealing their seats. What's your point?  Look up the word "Principle" sometime kid.

 

[Claxon]

My "substandard pay" was over 25% better than what you were willing to work on for an entire decade.
 
BTW, hurt all the third listers as well as the retirees.  Now your gonna pay in the SLI, because that whole fair and equitable equation is gonna look at career earnings expectations, of which mine were far superior to what you LOA93 for life losers could ever make.

Average Annual Wages and Salaries - PILOT AND CO-PILOT PERSONNEL
NO ADJUSTMENTS MADE
1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014
American $ 112,190 $ 116,470 $ 131,651 $ 137,971 $ 130,099 $ 132,477 $ 123,244 $ 126,335 $ 130,019 $ 129,947 $ 137,734 $ 138,290 $ 138,743 $ 138,792 $ 137,482 $ 139,872 $ 139,963 $ 140,689 $ 147,312 $ 151,558
Continental $ 90,461 $ 108,561 $ 124,152 $ 154,401 $ 161,395 $ 166,752 $ 163,624 $ 136,686 $ 140,028 $ 145,061 $ 128,724 $ 123,618 $ 133,318 $ 136,253 $ 150,211 $ 156,458 $ 178,727 $ - $ - $ -
Delta $ 129,315 $ 134,016 $ 131,249 $ 121,885 $ 143,880 $ 150,549 $ 185,982 $ 173,365 $ 197,380 $ 209,330 $ 155,532 $ 127,268 $ 128,756 $ 125,616 $ 132,374 $ 142,801 $ 150,099 $ 158,227 $ 181,804 $ 193,555
Northwest $ 154,635 $ 131,641 $ 126,107 $ 142,578 $ 128,100 $ 134,441 $ 138,427 $ 148,084 $ 161,931 $ 169,208 $ 143,618 $ 117,556 $ 132,009 $ 120,798 $ 146,675 $ - $ - $ - $ - $ -
United $ 135,728 $ 146,249 $ 147,212 $ 135,886 $ 117,920 $ 132,126 $ 138,627 $ 184,429 $ 116,998 $ 132,010 $ 115,242 $ 114,985 $ 115,711 $ 119,460 $ 125,465 $ 124,228 $ 125,690 $ 143,076 $ 164,581 $ 185,430
US Airways $ 127,154 $ 132,437 $ 135,623 $ 135,762 $ 128,722 $ 119,513 $ 157,090 $ 153,587 $ 154,638 $ 132,741 $ 120,124 $ 91,419 $ 103,487 $ 113,851 $ 111,329 $ 110,199 $ 109,535 $ 118,240 $ 121,069 $ 157,127
America West $ 77,093 $ 82,589 $ 86,289 $ 85,117 $ 75,045 $ 99,221 $ 99,301 $ 92,148 $ 92,111 $ 100,269 $ 101,279 $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ -
--sub Network $ 124,353 $ 128,147 $ 132,550 $ 134,301 $ 129,881 $ 136,773 $ 146,041 $ 150,515 $ 145,082 $ 150,572 $ 133,466 $ 120,889 $ 126,615 $ 127,031 $ 133,979 $ 136,685 $ 142,089 $ 144,378 $ 160,495 $ 175,846
Southwest $ 107,109 $ 106,862 $ 110,905 $ - $ 109,958 $ 110,601 $ 112,259 $ 117,558 $ 130,069 $ 144,511 $ 157,420 $ 165,882 $ 167,112 $ 172,750 $ 176,726 $ 192,289 $ 203,196 $ 187,551 $ 194,598 $ 197,782
jetBlue $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ 22,132 $ 56,644 $ 93,332 $ 93,532 $ 95,841 $ 96,734 $ 98,927 $ 105,893 $ 107,647 $ 124,680 $ 140,546 $ 139,744 $ 139,687 $ 147,109 $ 148,428
AirTran $ 54,838 $ 65,770 $ 68,926 $ 75,335 $ 85,709 $ 89,593 $ 98,055 $ 95,809 $ 96,527 $ 99,311 $ 100,952 $ 104,265 $ 108,549 $ 128,225 $ - $ - $ -
Frontier $ - $ - $ - $ 27,592 $ 29,091 $ 37,516 $ 102,065 $ 109,865 $ 110,417 $ 112,256 $ 99,879 $ 102,726 $ 108,905 $ 107,707 $ 96,119 $ 101,126 $ 113,250 $ 116,122 $ 116,366 $ 125,811
Virgin America $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ 73,576 $ 63,993 $ 75,869 $ 92,070 $ 106,630 $ 134,541
--sub LCC $ 104,933 $ 102,696 $ 90,662 $ 42,482 $ 94,394 $ 93,100 $ 103,964 $ 110,930 $ 118,997 $ 129,200 $ 134,414 $ 138,041 $ 140,335 $ 141,328 $ 147,776 $ 157,991 $ 167,612 $ 168,703 $ 175,162 $ 178,560
Alaska $ 104,893 $ 106,838 $ 114,791 $ 52,344 $ 52,773 $ 132,140 $ 141,808 $ 151,734 $ 163,211 $ 160,974 $ 145,953 $ 129,620 $ 130,022 $ 132,877 $ 163,096 $ 150,061 $ 153,530 $ 155,024 $ 159,858 $ 159,839
Hawaiian $ 74,565 $ 75,803 $ 79,762 $ 76,402 $ 1,859,096 $ 79,289 $ 90,924 $ 111,463 $ 105,289 $ 121,216 $ 132,782 $ 125,350 $ 126,812 $ - $ 117,351 $ 120,097 $ 117,354 $ 119,225 $ 134,667 $ 145,434
Allegiant $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ 47,559 $ 47,861 $ 56,870 $ 65,419 $ 83,839 $ 89,398 $ 87,993 $ 91,712 $ 94,616
-- sub Other $ 98,089 $ 100,372 $ 107,795 $ 54,637 $ 61,422 $ 119,120 $ 130,189 $ 142,453 $ 146,566 $ 147,649 $ 132,102 $ 121,036 $ 118,392 $ 118,887 $ 137,507 $ 131,830 $ 133,707 $ 134,423 $ 141,709 $ 143,591
Total All Sectors $ 122,702 $ 125,956 $ 129,090 $ 127,624 $ 123,509 $ 132,567 $ 141,695 $ 145,965 $ 141,849 $ 147,394 $ 133,569 $ 124,080 $ 129,065 $ 129,802 $ 137,194 $ 141,306 $ 147,610 $ 149,640 $ 162,922 $ 174,655
Note: Shaded data means data appear questionable.
Data Source: US DOT Form 41 via BTS, Schedule P6 & P10.

Your response to my pointing out your lie ?

 

[EastUS1]

 
Obvious obfuscation.  You can't defend your stupid self so you throw some non-germane b*** s*** into the argument in the vain attempt to sound intelligent.
 
It didn't work.  You're still stupid.

 
I've often admired your relative restraint, but "It didn't work.  You're still stupid." referencing that individual is putting it overy kindly.
 
Sigh...No doubt yet another single panel cartoon/gif will be posted shortly so's to best demonstrate the fullest extent of that creature's sad "intellect" anyway...Our help is in no way needed to do so.

 

[EastUS1]

 
 
Here's the problem, Michael.  If you and I were to square off in your "little challenge" and I were to fairly and squarely win this little challenge...you would most assuredly cry foul and demand a "do-over".  My mother taught me to not play with known liars and cheats.  I guess that leaves you out.

 
"and I were to fairly and squarely win this little challenge"? Seriously kid? Sigh....No matter, I suppose, since it's quite clear that "you'se" would first need a note from "My mother" in order to proceed anyway. Without that; you're apparently incapable of personal action of any sort.
 
"Where do we get such men?" Bridges of Toko Ri extract.
 
Folks; I say we all give an "heroic" rousing cheer of "This is Sparta!"..at least for the sake of pwecious widdle cactusboy's mother. I've no doubt that lady would not have been worthy of the full contempt I'll properly show her only-supposedly "male" child. It's sad that the clear absence of a father figure's apparent in cactus"boys" postings though.

 

[Claxon]

Says the guy who's on the computer himself on a weekend.
Thanks for your concern but I'm having to hang around the house this weekend while some travertine gets installed around the pool deck. Hey, you get me for another day. 😉

See below......

 

[Claxon]

http://youtu.be/mtHbA8VI0xY

 

[Claxon]

http://youtu.be/JvQdJ8JS9hI

East Cheats Construction LLC....

 

[EastUS1]

Here's the problem, Michael.  If you and I were to square off in your "little challenge" and I were to fairly and squarely win this little challenge....

 
How 'bout give it a shot instead of just running your mouth son? Bring however many witnesses you wish, and rest assured that all would be contractually mandated to be a matter of permanent video and posted to literally the whole world anyway..So what's "you'se" problem, mighty "spartan"? It isn't as if far more pathetically self-demeaning videos haven't already been both proudly made and posted by "you'se" selves already.
 
"and I were to fairly and squarely win" It seems you've no worries then. 😉 I'm fully willing to risk being forever seen by the whole world as one defeated aloft by a "mighty spartan"...umm..."pilot"....So? What's your excuse?..Perhaps "My MOTHER"?

 

[nic4us]

 
"so some junior easthole could get to a captain seat"? Seriously? I'd have paid twice that and more to keep pathetic, purely opportunistic and self-obsessed (not to mention utterly worthless) little punks like "you'se" from stealing their seats. What's your point?  Look up the word "Principle" sometime kid.

 
 
Actually, if you are a PSA 86 hire, well then you did pay twice that, and I will start calling you junior.
 
Sorry you could not steal my seat junior.  You could have had a nice PHX captain seat with way better pay, but you would have had to wait an additional 2 years for your requal.  Instead you opted for the separate ops, work for crap wages option to get a seat back sooner, and formed a scab union thinking you could get off those wages....
 
So..how did that work out for ya??  Wait a second...don't answere until after the new SLI comes out.., okay junior?

 

[EastUS1]

 You could have had a nice PHX captain seat .." Eastus1: My response = For the love of God...someone please just shoot me instead. 😉

 

[nic4us]

So are you going for super Nic+ again? Because if we start with the Nic then our group won't be reordered and your greater pay vs. the east won't mean squat compared to LAA. We will all be hurt by it. The west case is getting hammered by the west case in US/AW. Thanks.

 
You are a smart guy, you have been following the SLI arguments, you know what the West committee proposes.
 
And you are right, we  (i.e. the LCC pilots)  are screwed because of the scab union and the east pilot's BS for the past decade.
 
But, we won't get hammered as bad as you fear, because the West's contract was not that inferior to the LAA pilots, and was somewhat better than their stand alone Horton bankruptcy plan and contract.

 

[EastUS1]

Sorry you could not steal my seat junior. 

 
Sigh...Trust me on at least this much: I'd not EVER trade "lives" with the likes of "you'se" even if my own depended on it. 😉 There's a perversely infantile megalomania that runs rampant through "sparta"PHX....and the past 8 years have taught me that I really couldn't even expect "you'se" to see things other than through the twisted and distorted lenses of your own tiny perspectives.
 
For possibly the very-best-ever Joke of the Day: Who EVER lay awake at night secrectly dreaming of becoming an AWA "captain" in PHX? 🙂

 

[EastUS1]

But, we won't get hammered as bad as you fear, ....

 
"You'se" continue to exist entirely within the confines of Fantasyland. None can now know how any of this will work out son. Real life happens. "Expectations" are purely for little children to indulge in.

 

[EastUS1]

 
You are a smart guy, ..

 
"You'se" clearly aren't...Sorry kid, but "it is what it is".

 

[EastUS1]

 
"so some junior easthole could get to a captain seat"? Seriously? I'd have paid twice that and more to keep pathetic, purely opportunistic and self-obsessed (not to mention utterly worthless) little punks like "you'se" from stealing their seats. What's your point?  Look up the word "Principle" sometime kid.

 
Hmm...3 minus-votes already from aspiring "spartan" wannabe/Fantasyland "soldiers" I presume. Most curious.....Umm....Perhaps the stumbling block lay in: "Look up the word "Principle" sometime"?...? 😉
 
Thanks again for the always dependable chuckles kids.
 
I'm seriously bored with "you'se" umm..."spartans". Wager's always open,...if "you'se" can find some "soldier"/"pilot" of yours who doesn't need a note from "My MOTHER" to attend....? The wager and all's purely for fun kids; no enemy fire and no harm to anyone, and just a few bucks ventured for keeping your little egos in check. PM if seriously interested...or just keep posting minus votes instead, if you feel some strange need to further demonstrate yourselves as even more pathetic than I now believe...although I'll freely confess that last would take some considerable effort on "you'se" part.
 
"This is Sparta!"..."My MOTHER"/etc....Whew!