2015 Pilot Discussion.

[EastUS1]

 
SHEESH!   Football is even lower on my list of priorities.  I would rather be forced to watch an entire season of baseball AND basketball AND hockey AND soccer than sit through a single game of football. 

 
I can't argue with any general reluctance towards "professional" sports. The last time I watched a football game with actual interest dates back to the days of the Forty Niners with Joe Montana at the helm.  My all time favorite Larson cartoon addressing the issue of spectating depicted the entry to Hell, with the options for all eternity being "Lake of Fire" or "Watching Golf", with the vast preponderance of previous footsteps all pointed to the "Lake"....  😉

 

[CactusPilot1]

 
I'm curious here: Exactly which "conservative" values do you ptretend to hold that include usurping the earned seniority (by way of actually worked years) of another person's life?...And exactly how does wearing some ridiculous little tie "qualify" you as a supposed "patriot"?

 
Unreal. Everything about you is a fake. Are you going to lecture me about conservative values? There is nothing you can say to me after years of trying to advance your failed career with the displacement of pilots who brought jobs to the merger. The arbitrator saw through the Eastie BS and ruled. Instead of complying with a process, you cheated it because you were entitled. Just like that Brat that posts here.
 
You had you time of take, take, take. Party's over, RINO.
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[EastUS1]

 
Unreal. Everything about you is a fake.

 
Aw shucks kid. That's really mean of "you'se" to say just I because I don't have an "Integrity Matters" or "Dire Wolf" T-shirt, much less go around sporting a "Liberty" tie.
 
Umm...would it help my case at all if I fantasized myself as an heroic "spartan soldier", or perhaps at least a "knight"? 😉
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT8H9smpK3U
 
 
Grow Up kid.
 
"Are you going to lecture me about conservative values?" Seems it's far past time someone does, well, unless you can actually explain the bit about magically being personally "worthy" of usurping the worked years of earned seniority firom other people...? I'm all ears there. Go ahead and give that your best shot.

 

[traderjake]

 
 CNBC is not a liberal network.

 
I bet you actually believe that.  
 
The government is run by and for the benefit of big business.
 
The two parties pander to different constituencies to give the illusion of having a choice.

 

[nevergiveup]

 
Unreal. Everything about you is a fake. Are you going to lecture me about conservative values? There is nothing you can say to me after years of trying to advance your failed career with the displacement of pilots who brought jobs to the merger. The arbitrator saw through the Eastie BS and ruled. Instead of complying with a process, you cheated it because you were entitled. Just like that Brat that posts here.
 
You had you time of take, take, take. Party's over, RINO.
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No-one brings a job to the merger. It is not something you own. You are no more than the hired help. It's what we choose to be. Any conservative would know that. You are a well paid, hourly wage employee. Management saved the airline, not the pilots.

 

[cactusboy53]

No, I don't get it. What, exactly, am I wrong about?

Pi;
As a member of a JCBA, you in turn permit your agent to work on your behest in all labor matters.  This includes merging.  It says so in the Constitution & Bylaws & the Merger / Fragmentation policy.  You as a member of that association are bound by ALL tenets, agreements, side letters, arbitration, and agreements.  Here are a couple of quotes from those documents:
 
(ALPA) ARTICLE I: General
SECTION 6: SCOPE OF AUTHORITY AND OBJECTIVES
A.  SCOPE OF AUTHORITY …..
(5) To do any and all other acts consistent with and in furtherance of the policies and purposes herein declared.
MERGER AND FRAGMENTATION POLICY 
PART 1 –STATEMENT OF PURPOSE AND PREAMBLE
This policy establishes processes based on these premises, to be followed by pilot groups from the outset through the completion of the merger.  However, broad authority is provided to MECs to design and agree on alternative processes that meet their own needs.  The basic policy serves as a “governing” process in the event that the MECs do not desire to or cannot reach such agreements.
 
PART 2  – APPLICATION AND SCOPE OF MERGER POLICY, MERGER AGREEMENTS, 125 INTERPRETATION OF MERGER POLICY AND EXTENSIONS  
C. MERGER AGREEMENTS BETWEEN OR AMONG MECS….
All such agreements shall include a final and binding arbitration process for seniority list integration (which may or may not be the arbitration process set forth in this policy), unless the agreement actually includes a negotiated integrated seniority list…..
The Award of the Arbitration Board shall be final and binding on all parties to the arbitration and shall be defended by ALPA.  The Award shall include any agreements reached at the mediation step.  The Arbitration Board will include in its Award a provision retaining jurisdiction until all the provisions of the Award have been satisfied for the limited purpose of resolving disputes which may arise between the pilot groups with regard to the meaning or interpretation of the Award.
 
 
Now I know you're gonna argue.  I had this same argument with John Mahlman when he stated "I didn't agree to that process, they didn't ask me..".
 
Allow me to save you time and I'll post your rebuttal here:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCpdxRaWlXY

 

[cactusboy53]

Sir,
 
I do not recall asking you to change your avatar. 
 
But, you avatar hurts the common humans feelings, I can only hope so.

 
Did you take a poll of all the members?  Did you take a poll of all the "common humans"?  Let me know what you poll statistics show.
 
Big Dan Teague is a FICTIONAL CHARACTER in a fantastic movie.  Oh Brother Where Art Thou is a new classic produced by the brilliant Coen brothers.  A loosely based satire based on Homer's "Odyssey". 
 
As usual, actor (& fellow Missourian) John Goodman did not disappoint.  I selected Big Dan Teague because he was a word artisan, and had a tremendous instructional gift.

 

[EastCheats]

No-one brings a job to the merger. It is not something you own. You are no more than the hired help. It's what we choose to be. Any conservative would know that. You are a well paid, hourly wage employee. Management saved the airline, not the pilots.

 
Parker and Kirby appreciate your support 😉
 

 

[traderjake]

He was portrayed in a movie as a KKK member and bible salesman.

 
He never attacked a rental car with a baseball bat. 

 

[CactusPilot1]

 
Listen, you Fox dittohead troglodyte.  (I know...that's triple-redundant...but it so well describes you.)  CNBC is not a liberal network.

 
You left out my NRA life membership in your description. Did Greenwich Village run out of your medical Mary Jane? If it's NBC, it's liberal.
 

 

[CactusPilot1]

No-one brings a job to the merger. It is not something you own. You are no more than the hired help. It's what we choose to be. Any conservative would know that. You are a well paid, hourly wage employee. Management saved the airline, not the pilots.

 
As the hired help, do you own an Airbus 330?
 

 

[Phoenix]

The West wants to use the Nic to rocket past the East and then leapfrog 10,000 reAAl pilots.

The reAAl pilots want to use the Nic to elevate the west pilots into an absurd windfall, thus necessitating a staple of all LUS pilots.

The arbs are looking for fair and equitable solutions (actually they already have the solution in mind are are just enjoying the entertainment).

 

[traderjake]

 

The West wants to use the Nic to rocket past the East and then leapfrog 10,000 reAAl pilots.

The reAAl pilots want to use the Nic to elevate the west pilots into an absurd windfall, thus necessitating a staple of all LUS pilots.

 
Another episode of bloviating from the living room sofa.  😀

 

[cactusboy53]

The West wants to use the Nic to rocket past the East and then leapfrog 10,000 reAAl pilots.

The reAAl pilots want to use the Nic to elevate the west pilots into an absurd windfall, thus necessitating a staple of all LUS pilots.

The arbs are looking for fair and equitable solutions (actually they already have the solution in mind are are just enjoying the entertainment).

 
Oh look guys.....the "it's not fair!" argument!  We haven't seen that in minutes.  WYE don't you take a break from the AAA Boo Hoo mantra, Scotty??
 
BTW, the LAST arbitration was deemed "fair and equitable" (not to mention FINAL & BINDING).

 

[EastUS1]

 
As the hired help, do you own an Airbus 330?
 

 
Why do you ask? Do you have any personal claim to one? If so; based on what? Was that something you "brought" to the earlier "merger"? Nevergiveup put it quite well: "No-one brings a job to the merger. It is not something you own. You are no more than the hired help. It's what we choose to be. Any conservative would know that. You are a well paid, hourly wage employee. Management saved the airline, not the pilots."
 
Still awaiting a response on: "Are you going to lecture me about conservative values?" Seems it's far past time someone does, well, unless you can actually explain the bit about magically being personally "worthy" of usurping the worked years of earned seniority firom other people...? I'm all ears there. Go ahead and give that your best shot." If you've additional free time after that; perhaps you could further explain just how sporting some ridiculous "liberty" tie purely to promote your personally selfish ends in any way qualifies you as a "patriot", versus performing even the slightest bit of service to our country. Any/all "spartan"..umm..."patriots" intent on flashing some version of the Colors around had the option of donning other clothing that was/is legitimately equipped with such. Artifically inflated, hollow chests have never much impressed anyone. The same could certainly be said of artificially inflated and equally hollow "seniority"...
 
Kudos for the NRA membership. That's at least one thing we can agree on.