2015 Pilot Discussion.

[nic4us]

Now how much attrition have you had out west? The East retires a pilot bout every 3 days west maybe 2 a month in a good year that mid level 320 Capt hired bout 10 years before you would have stagnated! I see you flunked math also!

 
Oh, forgot to mention.
 
in 2005 there were 1884 West pilots.  Today that number is around +/- 1500.
 
So, the West had on average an attrition rate of approx 63 pilots per post age 65 year.
 
Unfortunately for the West, a scab union was formed at LCC that stole all our attrition by undercutting our wages and benefits and stealing the growth opportunities at LCC.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Oh, forgot to mention.
 
in 2005 there were 1884 West pilots.  Today that number is around +/- 1500.
 
So, the West had on average an attrition rate of approx 63 pilots per post age 65 year.
 
Unfortunately for the West, a scab union was formed at LCC that stole all our attrition by undercutting our wages and benefits and stealing the growth opportunities at LCC.

You have less pilots today cause your hubs are flubs, you closed Vegas, With the east attrition 4 times that number with twice as many pilots it is easy to see why you want to be senior to someone hired 15 years before you, Enjoy your stagnation, No NIC for you!

 

[luvthe9]

The sooner you scabs forget about the NIC and pay off the millions you owe Marty the better off you'll be..........get it no NIC.



The BOA is well aware how incompetent the NIC was done and will not make that mistake...........just going to be "epic"........ Just a few more years in the fishbowl.

 

[Claxon]

Average Annual Wages and Salaries - PILOT AND CO-PILOT PERSONNEL
NO ADJUSTMENTS MADE
1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010
American $ - $ 116,470 $ 131,651 $ 137,971 $ 130,099 $ 132,477 $ 123,244 $ 126,335 $ 130,019 $ 129,947 $ 137,734 $ 138,290 $ 138,743 $ 138,792 $ 137,482 $ 139,872
Continental $ 90,461 $ 108,561 $ 124,152 $ 154,401 $ 161,395 $ 166,752 $ 163,624 $ 136,686 $ 140,028 $ 145,061 $ 128,724 $ 123,618 $ 133,318 $ 136,253 $ 150,211 $ 156,458
Delta $ 129,315 $ 134,016 $ 131,249 $ 121,885 $ 143,880 $ 150,549 $ 185,982 $ 173,365 $ 197,380 $ 209,330 $ 155,532 $ 127,268 $ 128,756 $ 125,616 $ 132,374 $ 142,800
Northwest $ 154,635 $ 131,641 $ 126,107 $ 142,578 $ 128,100 $ 134,441 $ 138,427 $ 148,084 $ 161,931 $ 169,208 $ 143,618 $ 117,556 $ 132,009 $ 120,798 $ 146,675 $ -
United $ 135,728 $ 146,249 $ 147,212 $ 135,886 $ 117,920 $ 132,126 $ 138,627 $ 184,429 $ 116,998 $ 132,010 $ 115,242 $ 114,985 $ 115,711 $ 119,460 $ 125,465 $ 123,958
US Airways $ 127,154 $ 132,437 $ 135,623 $ 135,762 $ 128,722 $ 119,513 $ 157,090 $ 153,587 $ 154,638 $ 132,741 $ 120,124 $ 91,419 $ 103,487 $ 113,851 $ 111,329 $ 110,199
America West $ 77,093 $ 82,589 $ 86,289 $ 85,117 $ 75,045 $ 99,221 $ 99,301 $ 92,148 $ 92,111 $ 100,269 $ 101,279 $ - $ - $ - $ - $ -
--sub Network $ 98,728 $ 128,147 $ 132,550 $ 134,301 $ 129,881 $ 136,773 $ 146,041 $ 150,515 $ 145,082 $ 150,572 $ 133,466 $ 120,889 $ 126,615 $ 127,031 $ 133,979 $ 136,634
Southwest $ 107,109 $ 106,862 $ 110,905 $ - $ 109,958 $ 110,601 $ 112,259 $ 117,558 $ 130,069 $ 144,511 $ 157,420 $ 165,882 $ 167,112 $ 172,750 $ 176,726 $ 166,573
jetBlue $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ 22,132 $ 56,644 $ 93,332 $ 93,532 $ 95,841 $ 96,734 $ 98,927 $ 105,893 $ 107,647 $ 124,680 $ 140,546
AirTran $ 54,838 $ 65,770 $ 68,926 $ 75,335 $ 85,709 $ 89,593 $ 98,055 $ 95,809 $ 96,527 $ 99,311 $ 100,952 $ 104,265 $ 108,549
Frontier $ - $ - $ - $ 27,592 $ 29,091 $ 37,516 $ 102,065 $ 109,865 $ 110,417 $ 112,256 $ 99,879 $ 102,726 $ 108,905 $ 107,707 $ 96,119 $ 101,126
Virgin America $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ 73,576 $ 64,292
--sub LCC $ 104,933 $ 102,696 $ 90,662 $ 42,482 $ 94,394 $ 93,100 $ 103,964 $ 110,930 $ 118,997 $ 129,200 $ 134,414 $ 138,041 $ 140,335 $ 141,328 $ 147,776 $ 145,654
Alaska $ 104,893 $ 106,838 $ 114,791 $ 52,344 $ 52,773 $ 132,140 $ 141,808 $ 151,734 $ 163,211 $ 160,974 $ 145,953 $ 129,620 $ 130,022 $ 132,877 $ 163,096 $ 150,061
Hawaiian $ 74,565 $ 75,803 $ 79,762 $ 76,402 $ 1,859,096 $ 79,289 $ 90,924 $ 111,463 $ 105,289 $ 121,216 $ 132,782 $ 125,350 $ 126,812 $ - $ 117,351 $ 120,097
Allegiant $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ 47,559 $ 47,861 $ 56,870 $ 65,419 $ 83,839
-- sub Other $ 98,089 $ 100,372 $ 107,795 $ 54,637 $ 61,422 $ 119,120 $ 130,189 $ 142,453 $ 146,566 $ 147,649 $ 132,102 $ 121,036 $ 118,392 $ 118,887 $ 137,507 $ 131,830
Total All Sectors $ 99,011 $ 125,956 $ 129,090 $ 127,624 $ 123,509 $ 132,567 $ 141,695 $ 145,965 $ 141,849 $ 147,394 $ 133,569 $ 124,080 $ 129,065 $ 129,802 $ 137,194 $ 138,598
Note: Shaded data means data appear questionable.
Data Source: US DOT Form 41 via BTS, Schedule P6 & P10.

 

[Claxon]

NoNic4 Nine Yrs versus MIT data.
The truth hurts.
His tenure at AWA was one that ranked in the lowest tier of pilot compensation for decades.

 

[luvthe9]

NoNic4 Nine Yrs versus MIT data.
The truth hurts.
His tenure at AWA was one that ranked in the lowest tier of pilot compensation for decades.

And as always......The LAST airline anyone wanted to work when you failed to qualify for a good airline job




You westies are one lucky group........you don't belong here

 

[nic4us]

NoNic4 Nine Yrs versus MIT data.
The truth hurts.
His tenure at AWA was one that ranked in the lowest tier of pilot compensation for decades.

 
LMAO at you clowns.  I am talking 2005-2015 and you are still regurgitating 1986.
 
As an east 320 captain you would have to ditch an airplane and get a book deal to out earn the first West pilot 100 numbers junior to you on the Nic.
 
For the decade of LCC's existence, I made $250,000 more than an east 320 captain, and I did it with an extra 170 days of vacation!!
 
Did I mention cancel pay, short term disability, better health benefits, better trip rigs, better scheduling rules, better...etc.etc.etc?

 

[nic4us]

You have less pilots today cause your hubs are flubs, you closed Vegas, With the east attrition 4 times that number with twice as many pilots it is easy to see why you want to be senior to someone hired 15 years before you, Enjoy your stagnation, No NIC for you!

 
Actually, LCC closed LAS as they did LGA, BOS.
 
Now here is a true math problem for you.  
 
Q....If you had 4 times the attrition and twice the number of pilots, what would your relative attrition rate be combined vs. separate? (Nic took this into account.)
 
A....combined your attrition rate increases if you are junior, like Mutatis. Luv9, and Claxhole, and separate the east would have had 100% attrition and been greeting Wal-Mart visitors.

 

[Claxon]

LMAO at you clowns.  I am talking 2005-2015 and you are still regurgitating 1986.
 
As an east 320 captain you would have to ditch an airplane and get a book deal to out earn the first West pilot 100 numbers junior to you on the Nic.
 
For the decade of LCC's existence, I made $250,000 more than an east 320 captain, and I did it with an extra 170 days of vacation!!
 
Did I mention cancel pay, short term disability, better health benefits, better trip rigs, better scheduling rules, better...etc.etc.etc?

Says the one whose career earnings never will outmatch a career LUS pilot.
Oh, by the way- your never realized Nic happened almost a decade ago, yet you pine away for it.
Face it, you were hired at the lowest paying airline in the U.S., because nobody else would have you.

 

[traderjake]

And as always......The LAST airline anyone wanted to work when you failed to qualify for a good airline job

You westies are one lucky group........you don't belong here

 
Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?
 
I have a friend from my previous job who turned down a job at Piedmont and went to America West a month after I got hired.
 
He's in the top 150 of their seniority list and been a Check Airman for 20 years.
 
Carry on making a fool of yourself. 

 

[luvthe9]

Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?
 
I have a friend from my previous job who turned down a job at Piedmont and went to America West a month after I got hired.
 
He's in the top 150 of their seniority list and been a Check Airman for 20 years.
 
Carry on making a fool of yourself.

Glad you hang around with idiots......it all makes sense now what a stupid choice.




"Carry on making a fool of yourself"...........

 

[luvthe9]

Says the one whose career earnings never will outmatch a career LUS pilot.
Oh, by the way- your never realized Nic happened almost a decade ago, yet you pine away for it.
Face it, you were hired at the lowest paying airline in the U.S., because nobody else would have you.

Bingo!

 

[FL430]

Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?
 
I have a friend from my previous job who turned down a job at Piedmont and went to America West a month after I got hired.
 
He's in the top 150 of their seniority list and been a Check Airman for 20 years.
 
Carry on making a fool of yourself.

And had you followed him there you would have worked in Australia just like him. You can thank pappy for that huh?

 

[traderjake]

I'm going to set up a Twitter account so you, luv, claxon, and EastUS can talk about what I had for lunch.

 

[traderjake]

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