2015 Pilot Discussion.

[luvthe9]

http://archive.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/03/16/20100316phoenix-high-school-coach-beating16-ON.html




West kids do seem to have some anger issues.

 

[CactusPilot1]

One of the four Leonidas LLC directors is apparently now employed as an American Airlines pilot;\
Having Kevin Horner associated in any way with this DFR only hurts the effort. How can he adequately meet the fiduciary requirements to fairly represent the class? Our sources have told us that Kevin Horners current union, the APA, is furious with him for his participation in a DFR suit against another union.

Horner again? Mitch put one of you guys in his place on the C&R's who tried to bark up that tree:

"Well - no - you're wrong. Aside from the fact that Kevin Horner is NOT an America West pilot, that lawsuit asks only that the arbitration be delayed pending the outcome of a DFR case. The purpose of this motion (and the underlying lawsuit) is to attempt to seek for the TWA pilots the same accommodation provided the West pilots in the McCaskill process; the purpose is NOT to avoid an arbitrator's award and then failing that, indefinitely delay the integration of the airline (out of mere spite more than anything else). And to my original point, I don't think there is much anybody can do, including Kevin, to delay integration.

Kevin's position has been extremely consistent while at TWA, AWA, and back at AA: the smaller group should be afforded due process in an integration proceeding, and should NOT have their seniority dictated to them by the majority. USAPA's position, of course, does not enjoy that same consistency."

 

[CactusPilot1]

ALLIED PILOTS ASSOCIATION: FIRST OFFICERS SHOULD HAVE THE SAME QUALIFICATIONS AS CAPTAINS
 
https://public.alliedpilots.org/apa/ForTheMedia/PressReleases/PressReleaseArchives/tabid/949/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/2719/Allied-Pilots-Association-First-Officers-Should-Have-the-Same-Qualifications-as-Captains.aspx
 
West Pilot merger committee:  We don't believe LOS should be used as a measure of qualifications to be a Captain.  That is why pilot's NEED arbitration with lawyers who have NO IDEA of what happens in the cockpit (let alone medical professionals).  Andreas Lubitz evidently was angry that his career path with only 631 hours of "Captain" time was disqualifying him for flying at Lufthansa.  Even the APA believes that "New hire pilots" are Captains so we don't need the years of service experience anymore which is why the Nicolau Award should STAND!
 
So what's the West pilot argument going to be next?

What the hell does Lubitz's 631 hours have to do with the SLI at AA?

 

[Metroyet]

Forget it, Kevin.  We know who you are and we also know that the APA isn't too happy with you.

Believe whatever you want. Just provide one single shred of proof that might indicate that I am who you think. Pretty convenient isn't it? That I'm the guy that the APA ,(according to you and 9piece) isn't happy with? Who cares what the APA thinks about anything? Are you among the Scab13 with Courtney getting personally sued by 1500 pilots? That would explain your vitriol I guess, but if you are, like Courtney, you brought this on all by yourself.

I know you Zero-Integrity USCABIANS get a thrill out of thinking you know who various posters are, but in the interest of my own personal Integrity, I feel compelled to say once again, that you are throwing around a name, that to my knowledge, has nothing to do with this forum. Again, believe whatever you want. It doesn't change anything, and it doesn't matter. USAPA still failed, and the SLI is on its way.

 

[EastUS1]

Kevin's position has been extremely consistent while at TWA, ......... the smaller group should be afforded due process in an integration proceeding, and should NOT have their seniority dictated to them by the majority. .....

 
How'd that work out for the TWA people, and at just exactly what point have you, even supposedly, not enjoyed all the benefits of "due process" here?

 

[CactusPilot1]

Believe whatever you want. Just provide one single shred of proof that might indicate that I am who you think. Pretty convenient isn't it? That I'm the guy that the APA ,(according to you and 9piece) isn't happy with? Who cares what the APA thinks about anything? Are you among the Scab13 with Courtney getting personally sued by 1500 pilots? That would explain your vitriol I guess, but if you are, like Courtney, you brought this on all by yourself.
I know you Zero-Integrity USCABIANS get a thrill out of thinking you know who various posters are, but in the interest of my own personal Integrity, I feel compelled to say once again, that you are throwing around a name, that to my knowledge, has nothing to do with this forum. Again, believe whatever you want. It doesn't change anything, and it doesn't matter. USAPA still failed, and the SLI is on its way.

It's really easy going after these guys. Ucrapa attracted the worst of the worst, zero integrity, criminally minded low-life's. Just look look at how these junior mobsters treat their fellow East pilots who speak up.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Horner again? Mitch put one of you guys in his place on the C&R's who tried to bark up that tree:
"Well - no - you're wrong. Aside from the fact that Kevin Horner is NOT an America West pilot, that lawsuit asks only that the arbitration be delayed pending the outcome of a DFR case. The purpose of this motion (and the underlying lawsuit) is to attempt to seek for the TWA pilots the same accommodation provided the West pilots in the McCaskill process; the purpose is NOT to avoid an arbitrator's award and then failing that, indefinitely delay the integration of the airline (out of mere spite more than anything else). And to my original point, I don't think there is much anybody can do, including Kevin, to delay integration.
Kevin's position has been extremely consistent while at TWA, AWA, and back at AA: the smaller group should be afforded due process in an integration proceeding, and should NOT have their seniority dictated to them by the majority. USAPA's position, of course, does not enjoy that same consistency."

What the "smaller group" seeks to do is strip from workers the same consideration used by that same group that the use of length of service applies ONLY to their group all the while DEPRIVING that same consideration to the LARGER group and thereby destroying the simple logic that years of service at one company is valued the same as the other.

The ALPA arbitration you and Mitch keep referring to....and whom I've spoken to in the past....are simply driving nails into the coffin of the union ideal of UNITY.

The APA AND Edgar James should be PROUD they chose to take the side of the MINORITY and now fatally damages the ONLY leverage they ever had with the remaining union representation they have going forward.

The lawyers have gotten their money and the minority Lubvitzs of the industry seek to destroy the remnants of labor unity. Bully for you.

 

[EastUS1]

...... and the SLI is on its way.

 
One question for immediately afterwards: Has your first lawusit against the APA already been scheduled, or at least penciled in?

 

[CactusPilot1]

How'd that work out for the TWA people, and at just exactly what point have you, even supposedly, not enjoyed all the benefits of "due process" here?

Last I checked, TWA pilots were not a part of the Nicolau arbitration.

 

[CactusPilot1]

What the "smaller group" seeks to do is strip from workers the same consideration used by that same group that the use of length of service applies ONLY to their group all the while DEPRIVING that same consideration to the LARGER group and thereby destroying the simple logic that years of service at one company is valued the same as the other.
The ALPA arbitration you and Mitch keep referring to....and whom I've spoken to in the past....are simply driving nails into the coffin of the union ideal of UNITY.
The APA AND Edgar James should be PROUD they chose to take the side of the MINORITY and now fatally damages the ONLY leverage they ever had with the remaining union representation they have going forward.
The lawyers have gotten their money and the minority Lubvitzs of the industry seek to destroy the remnants of labor unity. Bully for you.

Who are the Lubitz's of the industry you speak? USAPA?

 

[end_of_alpa]

What the hell does Lubitz's 631 hours have to do with the SLI at AA?

What the hell does LOS have to do with it?
What the hell does 1500 hours have to do with an ATP?
What the hell does ANY TIME have to do with it, for that matter?
Why do AWA standards for hiring pilots only apply to THEM and not to the REST?


Why not just open the doors and let ANYONE fly major airliners?

I mean, we don't need to "measure" anything because the downtrodden "minority" should get "due process" and whatever they deserve regardless of logic or they'll just take it out on others.

As the APA has already said, the new hires can do what you do.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Who are the Lubitz's of the industry you speak? USAPA?

DS and the temper tantrum BPR reps of PHX to start.

 

[end_of_alpa]

It's really easy going after these guys. Ucrapa attracted the worst of the worst, zero integrity, criminally minded low-life's. Just look look at how these junior mobsters treat their fellow East pilots who speak up.

I'll be at the USAPA BPR meeting tomorrow. Looking forward to seeing you there.

Oh, I forgot. You quit.

 

[Metroyet]

One question for immediately afterwards: Has your first lawusit against the APA already been scheduled, or at least penciled in?

Unlike USCABA, and the complete idiots than ran and cheered for the failed scab FBA, the APA understands what a DFR is. Whatever happens in the arbitration is final and binding. All lawsuits will be DOA. Better start to embrace that concept. you idiots contemplated suing over the pre-arb.

 

[Metroyet]

I'll be at the USAPA BPR meeting tomorrow. Looking forward to seeing you there.
Oh, I forgot. You quit.

Keep all receipts. I know of 13 idiots that will be paying that back