2015 Pilot Discussion.

[Claxon]

Judge Sliver called it right. The slime balls will change their position when it suits them.

The 2004 hires were warned. It was at a river called Wye. You 2004 hires gambled it all and lost. Don't try to call someone a slime all when you could have had your Nic. Nic or nothing, nothing it shall be......

We now have a better picture what the East MEC had on the table: an 8 year fence, furloughs by longevity (LOS), MDA time not counting for longevity, Dave ODell having 400 pilots below him, and the Nic surviving as THE LIST. Yes, the East offered the NIC. They just wanted to protect their retirement attrition, which stalled by the change in Age-60. Looking back, that offer must look like a home run to any West pilot right now, but last February the EAST MEC and ALPA couldnt get to first base with it.

Our former MEC and our union leadership played a very high stakes game of poker by not dealing at Wye River. Freund was right, we were risking everything..and right now, it looks like we lost. They need to take responsibility for that.

U-Turn

 

[EastUS1]

I've been around airplanes since I was 10 because we had a Cherokee and a Baron in the family. Licensed by 17. A quarter century later, I am being challenged to a 60-plus year old to silly challenges. Who needs to grow up?
 

 
I'd never dare to even begin to compare to such "impressive" credentials as a "Cherokee and a Baron" heritage, and only started out in sailplanes at 14 myself and later, the USAF certainly never taught me anything, so I must say that I'm mightilly "impressed" little princess. Umm..care to talk at all/even the least bit seriously though? Wager's always open.
 
Thanks for fully confirming my earlier assumptions though = Mommy bought me my pylut's license..and I've grown to even become a mighty "spartan soldier!" My own Family holds far less gentle notions on what becoming a Soldier of the USA, or even anywhere means...unless one's under the the tender age of at most 10, and thus still allowed existence entirely inside Fantasyland.
 
"I've been around airplanes since I was 10" Big deal. Chocks are often placed "around airplanes" the moment they're made. What's your supposed "point"?
 
Your mindless arrogance is fully typical of "you'se" pathetic ilk. Kindly show the world what it's actually based on....?...Not saying, of course, that "a Cherokee and a Baron" aren't properly both fully fearful and intimidating, but still; I'd be willing to give it my best efforts nonetheless. 😉
 
P.S. If you don't want to be clearly seen as a complete joke; don't proudly present yourself as one.
 

 

[Phoenix]

“…The Arbitration Board conducts an evidentiary hearing, with witnesses, evidence and a stenographic transcript.  The Board’s Opinion and Award are to be issued simultaneously, within 150 days following the PID, unless both pilot groups and ALPA’s President agree to an extension.  The Merger Policy provides, “The Award of the Arbitration Board shall be final and binding on all parties to the arbitration and shall be defended by ALPA.”  No ALPA seniority integration arbitration result has ever been set aside by the courts although some dissatisfied pilots have challenged the award before administrative agencies and the courts.”    US AIRWAVES article; June/ July 2000. Todd Cardoza, Mike Cleary, Randy Mowery-US Air Merger Committee

You still can't accept it. Marty took you for a ride. This was never a DFR issue. It's a contract issue.

Courts enforce contracts. No court will ever set aside the contract that the West (and everyone else) ratified. Never.

 

[end_of_alpa]

[SIZE=15.5pt]“…The Arbitration Board conducts an evidentiary hearing, with witnesses, evidence and a stenographic transcript.  The Board’s Opinion and Award are to be issued simultaneously, within 150 days following the PID, unless both pilot groups and ALPA’s President agree to an extension.  The Merger Policy provides, “The Award of the Arbitration Board shall be final and binding on all parties to the arbitration and shall be defended by ALPA.”  No ALPA seniority integration arbitration result has ever been set aside by the courts although some dissatisfied pilots have challenged the award before administrative agencies and the courts.”    US AIRWAVES article; June/ July 2000. [/SIZE]Todd Cardoza, Mike Cleary, Randy Mowery-US Air Merger Committee

That was then....THIS IS THE HERE AND NOW, DB.  And Cleary wasn't exactly the greatest legal mind at the time.

 

[Claxon]

More "leetigation" is doubtless on it's way. 😉

Tie it up for years and years!

 

[end_of_alpa]

You'll find out soon enough. Don't fret.

Yep.  In two years minimum, well find out!!!  Scott "NO" Kirby (you know, the who keeps telling you guys NO!) is the best friend this union has ever had!!!!

 

[Claxon]

Winner winner chicken dinner.
There is light in that dim bulb after all....

UTurn: Why Wye River Didn't Save Dave?
“If the Wright brothers were alive today Wilbur would have to fire Orville to reduce costs.” Herb Kelleher, Southwest Airlines, ‘USA Today,’ 8 June 1994.

Last February at Wye River, Rice and Prater told both MECs that the NIC would never be implemented. The East pilots had the votes to stop it. That’s why ALPA spent so much time and money trying to get us to compromise. The failure of Wye River pretty much ended ALPA on the property and ALPA knew it.

The real victims of Wye River are the 175 West pilots getting furloughed. We can thank our MEC for that. The Pro-ALPA East MEC offered a compromise they thought would save ALPA and get a cram-down contract vote out before the final USAPA election. According to our sources who were there, the East offer had fences that protected their retirement attrition and prevented East pilots from bidding into PHX/LAS and pushing down West pilots down. Furloughs would be based on length of service. We hear that came out of an old Empire Airlines furlough model.

The East MEC offer would have put Dave O’Dell ahead of approximately 400 east pilots (not a typo – four hundred). The East MEC’s offer was furloughs based on longevity, months of active mainline service.

That’s right, guys. They were desperate to save ALPA and their cushy union jobs. The polling must have told them their plan would save ALPA. For sure their proposal would “SAVE DAVE” from furlough.

Just like in the B-757 IOU, the E-190 arbitration IOU and unbalanced East-West flying, our MEC ended up getting 175 West pilots furloughed, because they refused to negotiate and THEY TURNED DOWN THE OFFER!

From what we’ve been told, Jeff Freund left the Wye River conference out of frustration over our MEC’s refusal to negotiate a compromise. Our MEC says they held the line. If failure to negotiate, causing 175 furloughs, is holding the line, great job, guys. The East MEC made an offer that would have prevented Dave O’Dell from being furloughed. You turned it down.


So, if you still think our MEC were heroes at Wye River, tell that to our bottom 175 pilots. All we can say is when you update your resume’, just remember who didn’t “SAVE DAVE.”

 

[end_of_alpa]

You still can't accept it. Marty took you for a ride. This was never a DFR issue. It's a contract issue.

Courts enforce contracts. No court will ever set aside the contract that the West (and everyone else) ratified. Never.

Oh NO!  you're wrong....the Westicles keep reminding Kirby and the rest of us all the while the airplanes keep flying.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Idiot wall of SHAME!
 
http://www.cactuspilotcontributors.com

 

[EastCheats]

Here we go AGAIN!  That may be BLOOMBERGS OPINION but the FACTS are contained in the 10-K.  Bloomberg (the liberal rag that it is) may have an OPINION but if you READ the LEGAL SEC DOCUMENT SIGNED BY DOUG PARKER the "reverse acquisition" is an "accounting practice" that reconciles the different issues between different companies to address BALANCE SHEET ISSUES.
 
YOU ARE WRONG, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT AND MAYBE YOU SHOULD PRACTICE WHAT YOU LEARNED FROM THE BERNIE MADOFF SCHOOL OF INVESTMENT.
 
 
Reverse Acquisition

Definition: A reverse acquisition is an acquisition in which the entity issuing securities is designated as the acquiree for accounting purposes. An example of a reverse acquisition is when a privately-owned entity wants to become publicly-owned, and does so by arranging for a public entity to acquire its equity interests in exchange for the equity interests of the public entity.
 
http://www.accountingtools.com/reverse-acquisition-definition
 
 
These WEST IDIOTS are simply PARROTS and believe ANYTHING.  GULLIBLE.

 
Put down the margarita, Jaime. US Airways did not load up the U-Hauls and move it's HQ to Tempe.
 

 

[Phoenix]

Oh NO!  you're wrong....the Westicles keep reminding Kirby and the rest of us all the while the airplanes keep flying.

It was quite shocking how the Capts and FOs at that meeting were
pointing the finger at the President and making demands (stating their name, being recorded on video, and published for all to see). Simply unbelievable if I had not seen it with my own eyes.

 

[EastCheats]

Idiot wall of SHAME!
 

 
More like a hall of shame at the NMB. Look at those happy certified Usapians, now decertified Usapians.
 
AWE
 

 

[EastUS1]

It was quite shocking how the Capts and FOs at that meeting were
pointing the finger at the President and making demands (stating their name, being recorded on video, and published for all to see). Simply unbelievable if I had not seen it with my own eyes.

 
My personal favorite being "then fire the whole IT department!" = I want tha' heck outta' PHX!...It's all about MEEE!...WAAAH! 😉

 

[end_of_alpa]

 
Put down the margarita, Jaime. US Airways did not load up the U-Hauls and move it's HQ to Tempe.
 

The truth hurts, no-name.  I can look at guys in the face while you with your westicle buddies hide behind your screen name on the forum here.
 
Cowards and drive-by "fruiting".

 

[end_of_alpa]

It was quite shocking how the Capts and FOs at that meeting were
pointing the finger at the President and making demands (stating their name, being recorded on video, and published for all to see). Simply unbelievable if I had not seen it with my own eyes.

Kirby, in this particular case, wasnt going to let the Westicles build a "fire under his a$$".
 
NO.  Scott "NO" Kirby.  I was just laughing my a$$ off.  LAUGHING!!!!
 
Still laughing......