2015 Pilot Discussion.

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Blah...blah...blah.  The troops LOVED having the great folks at America West Airlines transport them to & fro.  We love our troops and we show it every time they get on board.  I presume that the ONLY way an airline could transport troops would be IF they were listed as a CRAF participant, SO since we in FACT transported troops....it MUST be assumed that we were a CRAF listed safe carrier.   Now America West Airlines certificate has been gone quite a while, BUT we did do troop transport in the '90's. 
 
The "CACTUS" call sign went right on through Europe and southern Asia.  It also went to Japan, in an ill fated attempt to dive into the far East market too early.
 
Kenny;
Unless you are a paid consultant for Mann & Associates, your "opinion" and conjecture here are just exactly that (just like mine).  The difference is when I draw out a statement, when possible I back it up with expert testimony & fact.  Like this:
 
"..Mann, who assisted the West pilots during previous merger talks and during the seniority negotiations, was stunned by the East pilots' attitude. "I've done a lot of these," he says. "And this was just the most extreme intransigence I've ever seen.""
 
This was from an article where Bob Mann was asked about his expertise in the AAA/AWA merger and that SLI.  I actually looked up "intransigence" to make sure that I completely understood the statement and accusation.  I was right:  unwilling or refusing to change one's views or to agree about something.
 
The unfortunate thing here is no matter how much I argue my points, you and the USAPA-failthful will NEVER be assuaged.  You will NEVER admit to wrong-doing.  You will NEVER admit to the sheer douche-baggery that has been conceived and delivered by USAPA & its leaders.  You will NEVER ask for forgiveness, because you feel that you and the USAPA-faithful have done nothing wrong.
 
Kenny....are you willing to admit you were WRONG?  Are you willing to admit your group is in FACT in violation of a DFR lawsuit as found by the 9th Court?  Are you willing to admit that you and your group behaved in a very bad way and willing to ask for forgiveness?

. CB53 Your doctor called with your colonoscopy results. Good news – they found your head.

 

[cactusboy53]

You ask forgiveness from Wein and Ansett first.

 
What a ray of sunshine you are today.  It's criminal that you can't keep your word. 

 

[luvthe9]

What a ray of sunshine you are today.  It's criminal that you can't keep your word.

What's criminal is how you screwed your entire pilot group over with your lies and cost them so dearly............now that's criminal.

 

[cactusboy53]

What's criminal is how you screwed your entire pilot group over with your lies and cost them so dearly............now that's criminal.

 
[SIZE=12pt]“Actually, it is USAPA that is needlessly delaying the resolution of the seniority dispute and jeopardizing the enforceability of the agreement the parties are able to reach. …….The arbitrator’s decision was to be final and binding on both pilot groups and was to be accepted by the Company so long as certain conditions were met.  The Nicolau Award has resulted in four years of litigation including a trial in federal court and jury verdict fining USAPA’s proposal for a non-Nicolau list to constitute an unlawful breach of the union’s duty of fair representation….”[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]Paul D. Jones; Vice President – Legal Affairs and Chief Compliance Officer[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Exhibit 1 of  Declaration of Counsel; Case 13-15000, 02/20/2013[/SIZE]

 

[cactusboy53]

You ask forgiveness from Wein and Ansett first.

 
Sorry...that argument MIGHT fly, BUT you also have some club members on that list...don't you??  Sorry....no criminal videos or rays of sunshine videos available.  Did I mention to suck eggs?

 

[cactusboy53]

Arbitrators get it:
 
[SIZE=12pt]In the matter of: Preliminary Arbitration Board APA/USAPA/AA (December 17, 2014)[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]ARBITRATOR JAVITS: All three lists. I guess the gravamen of the questions is are you then putting yourself in the place of Nicolau, are you the new Nicolau because you are proposing a list which may not reflect Nicolau's list? ….. And American pilots. And, therefore, you're making a proposal, which may be different than what Nicolau had in mind and issued back in '07.[/SIZE]
 

[SIZE=12pt]MR. FREUND (in closing): As the Chairman put it so nicely in his questioning of Jess Pauley, what the US -- what the East Committee, the US Airways Committee, the USAPA Committee, call it what you want, what it wants to do is to put itself in the place of George Nicolau and redo what George did in 2007.[/SIZE]

 

[cactusboy53]

District Court Judges get it:
 
 
[SIZE=12pt]“….The Court’s patience with USAPA has run out.  USAPA avoided liability on the DFR claim by the slimmest of margins and the Court has serious doubts that USAPA will fairly and adequately represent all of its members while it remains a certified representative.  But all the Court can do at this stage is implore USAPA to, in the words of CAB, “make every effort to see that [the West Pilots’] are given extensive consideration, and that their interests are fairly and fully represented” during seniority integration…”[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]Judge Roslyn O. Silver, Chief United States District Judge[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Case 2:13-cv-00471-ROS   Document 298   Filed 01/10/14[/SIZE]
 

 

[cactusboy53]

The 9th got it:
 
[SIZE=12pt]US Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit                                                                       26 June 2015[/SIZE]
 

[SIZE=12pt]“…USAPA has served as the stalking horse for the East Pilots’ exclusive interests and left the West Pilots bereft of representation.  USAPA’s manifest disregard for the interests of the West Pilots and its discriminatory conduct towards them constitutes a clear breach of duty.  Accordingly, we reverse the district court’s conclusion that USAPA did not breach its duty of fair representation, and remand with instructions to enjoin USAPA from participating in the McCaskill-Bond proceedings except to the extent that USAPA will advocate the Nicolau Award..”[/SIZE]

 

[Kenny]

CB53,
 
Why are you posting stuff about USAPA? How many months, years, or perhaps decades are you going to be posting stuff about USAPA? You know that the USAPA settlement has gone through, so what's the deal with that? The judge ordered that they leave the party and they did. You seem to be omitting the part where the judge specifically said that no other party nor the arbitrators had to use the Nicolau award, only USAPA, which left the proceedings.
 
Wye do you omit these crucial bits and pieces? Wye, oh Wye? It's tragic poetry that you and your brothers have so often accused east pilots of living in "denial" because if "denial" isn't what you're illustrating right now, I can't imagine what is.

 

[luvthe9]

CB53,
 
Why are you posting stuff about USAPA? How many months, years, or perhaps decades are you going to be posting stuff about USAPA? You know that the USAPA settlement has gone through, so what's the deal with that? The judge ordered that they leave the party and they did. You seem to be omitting the part where the judge specifically said that no other party nor the arbitrators had to use the Nicolau award, only USAPA, which left the proceedings.
 
Wye do you omit these crucial bits and pieces? Wye, oh Wye? It's tragic poetry that you and your brothers have so often accused east pilots of living in "denial" because if "denial" isn't what you're illustrating right now, I can't imagine what is.

Wye, because he is on the verge of a mental breakdown.........,just imagine having the winning lottery ticket and losing it.

 

[cactusboy53]

Even el presidente got it:
 
[SIZE=12pt]“…The Arbitration Board conducts an evidentiary hearing, with witnesses, evidence and a stenographic transcript. The Board’s Opinion and Award are to be issued simultaneously, within 150 days following the PID, unless both pilot groups and ALPA’s President agree to an extension. The Merger Policy provides, “The Award of the Arbitration Board shall be final and binding on all parties to the arbitration and shall be defended by ALPA.” No ALPA seniority integration arbitration result has ever been set aside by the courts although some dissatisfied pilots have challenged the award before administrative agencies and the courts.”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]US Airwaves June/July 2000[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]US Air Merger Committee Members: NAME WITHHELD FOR CRYBABIES (PIT), NAME WITHHELD FOR CRYBABIES[/SIZE] (BOS),[SIZE=12pt]NAME WITHHELD FOR CRYBABIES[/SIZE] (PIT)

 

[cactusboy53]

Wye, because he is on the verge of a mental breakdown.........,just imagine having the winning lottery ticket and losing it.

 
Sure if you say so, it must be true (not really).

 

[Kenny]

 
Sure if you say so, it must be true (not really).

BoyishCactus, is that a movie quote, or something? I know it's not from Oh Brother, Where Art Thou because I know that movie backwards and forwards. This thing you keep saying is....well, it's childish, sure, but it also qualifies as what many would call a "painfully acute sense of the obvious." After all, this is the Internet. At this point, even kids in middle school know that what one reads on the Internet isn't necessarily true. And everyone here (whether they admit it or not) knows that what you post isn't necessarily true, or especially relevant. Anyhoo....just curious if you'd ever looked at it this way, or if you realized how sad and ineffective that little quip is. But hey, if it's a movie quote, then I'm all over it! I love movie quotes!!! Which one is it from??? Is in Cohen Bros? Dude, they are awesome.

 

[Pi brat]

Even el presidente got it:
 
[SIZE=12pt]“…The Arbitration Board conducts an evidentiary hearing, with witnesses, evidence and a stenographic transcript. The Board’s Opinion and Award are to be issued simultaneously, within 150 days following the PID, unless both pilot groups and ALPA’s President agree to an extension. The Merger Policy provides, “The Award of the Arbitration Board shall be final and binding on all parties to the arbitration and shall be defended by ALPA.” No ALPA seniority integration arbitration result has ever been set aside by the courts although some dissatisfied pilots have challenged the award before administrative agencies and the courts.”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]US Airwaves June/July 2000[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]US Air Merger Committee Members: NAME WITHHELD FOR CRYBABIES (PIT), NAME WITHHELD FOR CRYBABIES[/SIZE] (BOS),[SIZE=12pt]NAME WITHHELD FOR CRYBABIES[/SIZE] (PIT)

Calling people crybabies because YOU got taken to task for not following the rules. Integrity.
 
You ran when I asked you how many pilots the west merger committee proposed to staple. Actually, I think you kinda called me stupid, then I showed you, and you scurried off. Man up.
 
Note those words about an arbitration never being overturned by the courts. Hopefully in a week or two you will need to reference them.

 

[Pi brat]

 
The 9th got it:
 
[SIZE=12pt]US Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit                                                                       26 June 2015[/SIZE]
 

[SIZE=12pt]“…USAPA has served as the stalking horse for the East Pilots’ exclusive interests and left the West Pilots bereft of representation.  USAPA’s manifest disregard for the interests of the West Pilots and its discriminatory conduct towards them constitutes a clear breach of duty.  Accordingly, we reverse the district court’s conclusion that USAPA did not breach its duty of fair representation, and remand with instructions to enjoin USAPA from participating in the McCaskill-Bond proceedings except to the extent that USAPA will advocate the Nicolau Award..”[/SIZE]

 

Show what they say about your request to force the Nic.