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Punitive?

More East delusional thinking, nobody was out to get you.

Nicolau told us we weren't getting DOH and give him something to work with.

We told him to do yourself with no input from us.
 
traderjake said:
Punitive?More East delusional thinking, nobody was out to get you.Nicolau told us we weren't getting DOH and give him something to work with.
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We did you idiot, we offered to give them the NIC, they turned it down TWICE. Wye, because they are stupid........live with now.


They did not listen to their highly paid attorney Jeff Freund........

"Jeff Freund is a top-notch lawyer. We have no doubt that he told our MEC the truth about how negotiable the NIC really was. "



"Jeff Freund warned the West MEC that if USAPA won, the West risked losing everything. He urged reaching an agreement. He was gone on Day Two. We wont address his motivation for leaving. As Jeff Freund observed in his rebuttal to the East MEC lawsuit, the NIC was not in stone"


"Freund was right, we were risking everything..and right now, it looks like we lost. They need to take responsibility for that."
 
"Nicolau told us we weren't getting DOH and give him something to work with.

We told him to do yourself with no input from us."


 
luvthe9 said:
We did you idiot, we offered to give them the NIC, they turned it down TWICE. Wye, because they are stupid........live with now.
 
We offered Nicolau the NIC?
 
LMAO
 
traderjake said:
"Nicolau told us we weren't getting DOH and give him something to work with.
We told him to do yourself with no input from us."


 

 
We offered Nicolau the NIC?
 
LMAO


Guess we missed you at Wye and STL........maybe next time.


PS...You be sure to thank Cleary and Bradford for all that upward movement you've enjoyed, how's that after start flow going, still need help on it.
 
traderjake said:
If you're going to try to smear me you need to coordinate your stories.You're not even close!


You do that fine on your own, your colleagues are well aware what a back stabbed you are.
 
https://youtu.be/JNosXV9pbrM


1:30into video. Eric Ferguson realizes east pilots escaped Nicolau Award.
Very similar circumstances.
Enjoy Dave. You should have taken Wye much more seriously.....
 
Claxon said:
https://youtu.be/JNosXV9pbrM
1:30into video. Eric Ferguson realizes east pilots escaped Nicolau Award.
Very similar circumstances.
Enjoy Dave. You should have taken Wye much more seriously.....
Wye, what's Wye, Wye never happened, just a made up place, wonder if STL did not exist either.........
 
Face the truth west pilots. Mike Cleary had the best lawyer possible, William Wilder.
Eric Ferguson, Jeff Koontz, Dave Simmons and Marty Harper were outclassed.
The 2004 west hires had no idea about labor law. The 2004 west hires have but one legacy, and one alone. Stupid videos which will forever live on the Internet.
 
https://youtu.be/ofDzbPXBxP4

west pilots continue to maintain inane theories that TOGA magically restores damaged CFM 56 engines......
Their Sully rage will be intense in the next few days.



U-Turn Nation:

Under the heading of "You can't make up this stuff," we read the below on a popular blog entitled flightinfo.com. It is reposted in its entirety, without edit. As we have often posted, U-Turn will not get into the Addington DFR debate. That will be solved by the courts. But attempting to turn Captain Sullenberger's appointment to US Airways' management safety team into a political issue? All we can say is consider the source.

U-Turn will accept letters expressing differing opinions, but we also reserve the right not to post them. U-Turn believes that safety is not and should never be turned into a political issue.




Posts: 61
Civ/Mil: Civilian
A/C Flown: Jetz and props
Ratings: ATP, MEI, FE B-727, B-737 type
Curr Position: Flying for the aquiring airline
Total Time: 11,000

Sully, welcome to Phoenix
Open letter to Doug Parker.

September 28, 2009
Mr. Douglas Parker
CEO & Chairman of the Board
US Airways, Inc.
111 W. Rio Salado Parkway
Tempe, Arizona 85281

VIA EMAIL

Dear Doug:

I'm writing to express my complete and utter disappointment with
today's announcement that Captain Sullenberger will be appointed to a
management position within the company. In fact, as a result of Capt.
Sullenberger's decision to use his new found fame as a weapon against
1800 former America West pilots in a recent federal court case over
pilot seniority, I find the company's announcement particularly
insulting. Not only does this decision now forever discredit the
company's purported "neutrality" in the pilot seniority issue, but it
also calls in to question the credibility of the entire safety
management team. As I hope you'll agree, it is in everybody's best
interests to keep flight safety an issue that is far removed from
politics.

I can respect that Capt. Sullenberger has his own personal opinions
regarding the seniority situation, however, I believe that his
decision to testify in court raises reasonable question as to his
ability to adequately perform his new duties without bias. Capt.
Sullenberger did not provide any relevant testimony in the case, and
was only called to testify by USAPA in the hopes that his celebrity
status would unfairly influence a jury. Instead of limiting the use
his celebrity status in support of productive goals such as promoting
aviation safety and the image of US Airways, he blatantly abused that
status by unnecessarily inserting himself on the losing side of an
issue that he played no prior role in. I cannot be reasonably assured
that he would not similarly misuse his position in management.

While I'm certain that this letter will fall on deaf ears, I can
assure you that this letter by no means an end to this issue, and that
you will be in need of much more than a well polished statement at a
crew news session to address it.

Sincerely,
/s/
Mitch Vasin
PHX 320 FO
 
Claxon said:
https://youtu.be/ofDzbPXBxP4
west pilots continue to maintain inane theories that TOGA magically restores damaged CFM 56 engines......
Their Sully rage will be intense in the next few days.
U-Turn Nation:
Under the heading of "You can't make up this stuff," we read the below on a popular blog entitled flightinfo.com. It is reposted in its entirety, without edit. As we have often posted, U-Turn will not get into the Addington DFR debate. That will be solved by the courts. But attempting to turn Captain Sullenberger's appointment to US Airways' management safety team into a political issue? All we can say is consider the source.
U-Turn will accept letters expressing differing opinions, but we also reserve the right not to post them. U-Turn believes that safety is not and should never be turned into a political issue.
Posts: 61
Civ/Mil: Civilian
A/C Flown: Jetz and props
Ratings: ATP, MEI, FE B-727, B-737 type
Curr Position: Flying for the aquiring airline
Total Time: 11,000
Sully, welcome to Phoenix
Open letter to Doug Parker.
September 28, 2009
Mr. Douglas Parker
CEO & Chairman of the Board
US Airways, Inc.
111 W. Rio Salado Parkway
Tempe, Arizona 85281
VIA EMAIL
Dear Doug:
I'm writing to express my complete and utter disappointment with
today's announcement that Captain Sullenberger will be appointed to a
management position within the company. In fact, as a result of Capt.
Sullenberger's decision to use his new found fame as a weapon against
1800 former America West pilots in a recent federal court case over
pilot seniority, I find the company's announcement particularly
insulting. Not only does this decision now forever discredit the
company's purported "neutrality" in the pilot seniority issue, but it
also calls in to question the credibility of the entire safety
management team. As I hope you'll agree, it is in everybody's best
interests to keep flight safety an issue that is far removed from
politics.
I can respect that Capt. Sullenberger has his own personal opinions
regarding the seniority situation, however, I believe that his
decision to testify in court raises reasonable question as to his
ability to adequately perform his new duties without bias. Capt.
Sullenberger did not provide any relevant testimony in the case, and
was only called to testify by USAPA in the hopes that his celebrity
status would unfairly influence a jury. Instead of limiting the use
his celebrity status in support of productive goals such as promoting
aviation safety and the image of US Airways, he blatantly abused that
status by unnecessarily inserting himself on the losing side of an
issue that he played no prior role in. I cannot be reasonably assured
that he would not similarly misuse his position in management.
While I'm certain that this letter will fall on deaf ears, I can
assure you that this letter by no means an end to this issue, and that
you will be in need of much more than a well polished statement at a
crew news session to address it.
Sincerely,
/s/
Mitch Vasin
PHX 320 FO



This letter should be made public.
 
Claxon said:
Face the truth west pilots. Mike Cleary had the best lawyer possible, William Wilder.
Eric Ferguson, Jeff Koontz, Dave Simmons and Marty Harper were outclassed.
The 2004 west hires had no idea about labor law. The 2004 west hires have but one legacy, and one alone. Stupid videos which will forever live on the Internet.

Let's not forget the legacy of destroying the careers of all the west pilots........they could have shared in all the growth and upgrades but greed killed them, NIC or nothing......


Yes, the above mentioned gentlemen ............real men of genius.
 
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