AA parking 27 more S80s?

[L1011Ret]

I have it on good information AA is parking 27 more S80s, Apr 3 = 14; Apr 17 = 1; May 1 = 1; May 8 = 1; Jun 15 = 7; Jul 1 = 3. AA appears to be shrinking quite a bit.

 

[SkydrolJunkie]

I have it on good information AA is parking 27 more S80s, Apr 3 = 14; Apr 17 = 1; May 1 = 1; May 8 = 1; Jun 15 = 7; Jul 1 = 3. AA appears to be shrinking quite a bit.

:unsure: Everything shrinks before it dries up !! :unsure:

 

[MiAAmi]

:unsure: Everything shrinks before it dries up !! :unsure:

Thats why they invented VIAGRA

 

[TWAnr]

From the ORD APA domicile base blast:

The company has decided to park an additional 27 S-80s with no plans to return them to service in the future. These aircraft are in addition to the 27 aircraft the company announced would be permanently grounded in January. As you may have already heard, the summer schedule has been dramatically reduced this year compared to years past in spite of the promise of increased traffic. When asked about this decision, management has stated that there is a cost associated with ramping up the summer schedule and subsequently ramping it back down in the fall. The decision was made because they are unable to find "profitable" routes to place these aircraft on and it is cheaper to park them than fly them under current industry economics. Also, changes discovered through the PLI processes which affect hub/gate scheduling, the removal of galleys and the addition of seats will offset this reduction in aircraft capacity.-- ORD Domicile message, April 7, 2006

Below is the schedule for the S-80 aircraft being parked.

Date		  Number of A/C going off schedule
April  3					 14
April 17					  1
May 1						 1
May 8						 1
June 15					   7
July 1						3

 

[chillers]

From the ORD APA domicile base blast:

Why shrink so much with high load factor in spring/summer ?

 

[Crapdog]

We may be parking md80's but last month DFW received a 757 from the desert. I worked it.

 

[goingboeing]

Why shrink so much with high load factor in spring/summer ?

Because our "NEW" CFO made a comment eariler this past week that "AA needs to replace the "gas guzzler MD80's."

MD80's have served AA beter than most thought they would have but now is the time for them to be retired from the AA fleet.Aircraft technology advancements has passed them[MD80's]by and the money is better spent purchasing new,more fuel efficent aircraft.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

As "unsettleing" as this is, I think ALL of us realize that "this" IS the road that we're gonna' travel.

NH/BB's

 

[Hopeful]

Because our "NEW" CFO made a comment eariler this past week that "AA needs to replace the "gas guzzler MD80's."

MD80's have served AA beter than most thought they would have but now is the time for them to be retired from the AA fleet.Aircraft technology advancements has passed them[MD80's]by and the money is better spent purchasing new,more fuel efficent aircraft.

How much would new aircraft cost we the employees?

 

[limit]

A few months ago, just before the start of the pulse line, information came out that the number of MD80 H/Cs for this year had been reduced to 70+ from 104 originally scheduled.
The numbers seem to match.

 

[TWU informer]

As "unsettleing" as this is, I think ALL of us realize that "this" IS the road that we're gonna' travel.

NH/BB's

Capacity reductions across the industry will lead to return of profits.

This would have been true before stripping every airline employee of 50 years of negotiated pay and benefits.

Why is the capitialist econmic system so hard for mulit-million dollar executives to understand? Seems if they have college degrees, they would have been taught supply vs demand theories first, then how to dress and cash bonus checks.

 

[Bob Owens]

Capacity reductions across the industry will lead to return of profits.

This would have been true before stripping every airline employee of 50 years of negotiated pay and benefits.

Why is the capitialist econmic system so hard for mulit-million dollar executives to understand? Seems if they have college degrees, they would have been taught supply vs demand theories first, then how to dress and cash bonus checks.

But without stripping us it just wouldnt have been as much fun for them.

The fact is they could have done this three years ago,especially if they went BK, but what would they have gained?

They had more to gain by losing money than by not losing money. Everyone else is happy, the banks, the creditors, the lessors, the fuel companies, the airport authorities, you name it. They havent lost a dime, the airlines were giving away seats, and they all still had their contracts honored. Now that they have lowered our wages and locked us in they can raise the fares and really cash in, and so can all those same people who never lost a dime.

 

[1AA]

Because our "NEW" CFO made a comment eariler this past week that "AA needs to replace the "gas guzzler MD80's."

So if oil hits $80 a barrel then the 757's will be fuel inefficient.
At $100 a barrel the 777 gets wiped out.
Then what???
We will all be at minimum wage with no benefits.
Is there a by-law in the TWU constitution that allows AA to lower our wages below miminum wage to preserve jobs and union dues?? We need to continue on our concessionary path until all our aircraft become fuel efficient. This is the bottom line it's a business.

 

[flyhigh]

...$1oo/barrell would definitely be paingful, but it's more likely that DL & or NW would have to shut down at those levels. AA could then enter bankruptcy...it would almost be better for them. They could shed the bills they've been paying and use that cash to pay for fuel. Crappy scenario, but likely if fuel gets that high.

Is there any way to tell if these 27 M80's were older in AA's fleet? Two things I have heard is that winglets may be available for M80s and that the M90 engines may soon be marketed as a retrofit for 80's. Those two things alone could make some of the middle age 80's worth keeping. The older ones will be closing in on 30 yrs old by the time those enhancements are available.

This is probably the most prudent step AA could take economically. Losing money on every seat with the hopes of making it up through volume isn't a viable plan for making the company profitable.

 

[A/C FIXER]

...$1oo/barrell would definitely be paingful, but it's more likely that DL & or NW would have to shut down at those levels. AA could then enter bankruptcy...it would almost be better for them. They could shed the bills they've been paying and use that cash to pay for fuel. Crappy scenario, but likely if fuel gets that high.

Is there any way to tell if these 27 M80's were older in AA's fleet? Two things I have heard is that winglets may be available for M80s and that the M90 engines may soon be marketed as a retrofit for 80's. Those two things alone could make some of the middle age 80's worth keeping. The older ones will be closing in on 30 yrs old by the time those enhancements are available.

This is probably the most prudent step AA could take economically. Losing money on every seat with the hopes of making it up through volume isn't a viable plan for making the company profitable.

Driving across the ramp the other day I noticed that the A/C were in the low 200 series, I believe I saw 207 and 215 there.