Afa Reaches Tentative Agreement

[firstamendment]

Edited as T/A posted after written. No need to stir pot by jumping gun. 😛

 

[ojxux]

These TA's crack me up. Long on promises, short on security and plenty of loopholes. Do any of you people expect this management team to actually live up to any promise they make??? The best is the "buy out" clause in the cwa agreement - after a year and a half you get your $$$ - yeah right. LMAO. Decertify your unions or tell them to close the dump down -they are doing absolutely nothing for you except collecting dues right now in order to pad their own salaries.

 

[SpinDoc]

and then there was one union left..
IAM ..what will they do

[post="229477"][/post]​

SpinDoc replies:

What do you think? The concession stand
is closed, or so says 700UW and all of his
militant unionista brothers. I guess they'll
just have to let the judge throw them out
onto the street without any severance rather
than allowing the members to vote to obtain
buy out packages.

 

[USAirBoyA330]

My goodness...you need 4 lawyers and Miss. Cleo to read this thing! It will take me 5 days to sort it all out.

 

[etops1]

the ta is posted on afausairways.org .
basically its whats someone said here earlier. 9% cut. reserves go from midnight to midnight . intl fence gone (thank god) lead pay on intl going to 4 something. eliminination of leveling. some kind of new reserve system i think. lodo pay going to 2:00 an hr and some other stuff .

 

[firstamendment]

AFA T/A.




I hope this goes thru for all interested. If the link doesn't work, try


www.afausairways.org

or go to the website on your own.

No involuntary call back pay decrease.
Unsure about reserve policy...too many pages...62 total
$10k buyout with one recall right starting as new hire..if refused, you resign...flight benes-companion passes..standard insurance time then cobra..co. will NOT contest retirement.
In addition, early retirement incentive for those over 55. $300 per month until 65th bday.
9% paycut
big vacation hit, w/ 19 years and under recovery rate the least. :down:

It all sucks, but I can live with most...providing alot of 55 year old plus take the $10000 out and $350 a month to 65 incentive. If masses leave, First will be a happy stew. 🙄

Would nice to see movement up for all in senority.

Gotta finish reading the details.

 

[abonny]

Sky,

Your scource is pretty close. USAirboy, you and your constant misinformation is both trying and boring. Here is what I have been able to find out:

Wage cut 9% or AMW at each pay step whichever is better. Because year 14 @ 9% reduction would have been less than top scale at AMW, it is same as AMW an approximate 8.5% decrease.

Vacation first year top out is 25-days. Increases tomax 28-days in 2006 and then to max 35-days in 2009.

Vacation pay 4:00 per day for 7-days or more and 3:30 for less than seven consecutive days. All vac must be bid in increments of no less than 4 days. Exception, one remainder group of 2 or 3 days.

Pay raises of 7 % of 1 or 2% durig the term with & another 3% increase upon amenable date.

Exceed 35/7 at FA OPTION ONLY. Otherwise no change.

Reserve: NO buckets, NO 285 rolling month. Increased guarantee to 73-hours commencing in 2006; each 5-hour groupings will be shuffled in seniority order; duty day begins at 0001 and end at 2400; no limit in trip choices.

Electronic trade board. May trade trips down to a 50-hour minimum. No max. Reserves can pick up trips on days off and vac days. Time goes above guarantee.

Eliminate options:

Two outs:

1. $300 per month until age 65 restricted to flight attendants 20+ years of seniority and 55-years or older. Must apply by 3/31/05 staggered to leave by 12/31/05.
2. One time $10K, passes, UC not contested for the number of flight attendants who save a job by offsetting furloughs. More can take the out but may not receive UC if reduction not needed.

Dead head like pilots 50% pay/no credit,
spit trips like pilots actual time only.

No reduction to per diem, or rigs.

LTD remains but now there is a contribution of no more than $20 per/mo.

3% DC delayed for 3-years.

Reduction or loss to some premiums. Some snap backs, some eliminated.


I have a reliable scource so I believe this info is golden.

abonny-

 

[etops1]

abonny your absolutly right all that is on the t/a

 

[TransatlanticFlyGuy]

Yeah i know, maybe the crazy eights could do it..OH i forgot, no education, cant speak english, and look like rejects from every other airiine... and they dont have any excuse like the old ones do....just rejects.. SEE how mean spirited that is- a taste of ur own medicine!!!! leave the senior people alone... some day u'll be old too....

[post="229439"][/post]​

LOL....NAPAUS....you just showed all on here how much of an education you really here. I am from one of the first "crazy 8" classes and will soon be starting 9 years here. You have just no clue except how to be so ignorant. If you fly PHW like I do or CLW....you know exactly what a waste the current CSD pay is. And for your information mister man....CSD on trips to LGW and MAN, which I am happy to fly often, a good number of times have CSDs that are not senior...they are in the 9-15 year group like me! I never dissed the senior people. Dont take it so personal! Are you one of those senior mamas or papas who take CSD or B and dont have a clue to the position? Just take it for the extra cash and make us miserable? Yeah...thats what I thought. LOL

 

[firstamendment]

Yeah i know, maybe the crazy eights could do it..OH i forgot, no education, cant speak english, and look like rejects from every other airiine... and they dont have any excuse like the old ones do....just rejects.. SEE how mean spirited that is- a taste of ur own medicine!!!! leave the senior people alone... some day u'll be old too....

[post="229439"][/post]​

Easy Skippy!! 😛

 

[USA320Pilot]

The AFA TA states:

AIRCRAFT TIDYING - Increased to include all domestic stations and Nassau (NAS) following every flight segment except: transoceanic flight segments; non-transoceanic flight segments (except NAS); flight segments immediately preceding the RON of the aircraft; following a red-eye; or following any segment that originates or terminates west of Kansas City (MCI) in North America; tidying duties remain the same.

DEFINED BENEFIT PLAN - After the Defined Benefit Plan is frozen, or if the Plan is terminated by the Bankruptcy Court, a Defined Contribution Plan will replace the DB plan with an Employer Contribution of 3%. Such contributions will begin on January 1, 2008.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[PITbull]

AFA T/A.
I hope this goes thru for all interested. If the link doesn't work, try
www.afausairways.org

or go to the website on your own.

No involuntary call back pay decrease.
Unsure about reserve policy...too many pages...62 total
$10k buyout with one recall right starting as new hire..if refused, you resign...flight benes-companion passes..standard insurance time then cobra..co. will NOT contest retirement.
In addition, early retirement incentive for those over 55. $300 per month until 65th bday.
9% paycut
big vacation hit, w/ 19 years and under recovery rate the least. :down:

It all sucks, but I can live with most...providing alot of 55 year old plus take the $10000 out and $350 a month to 65 incentive. If masses leave, First will be a happy stew. 🙄

Would nice to see movement up for all in senority.

Gotta finish reading the details.

[post="229499"][/post]​

First,

The proposal works if many take the "furlough package". All will move up and eventually the co. will "recall" the INVOLs to get their jobs back. There is no "second" pay scale, however the INVOLS and most junior will be displaced.

There will be road shows, however, the fear is that few will show up, as the holidays are upon us.

The vacation is a much improvement to where the company was at 7-14-21 days with no increases in the latter eyars. (Pilots got screwed again on vacation). The wage was brought below the company's 15%, because the committee forfeited 3 years of the define contribution to get the wages below 10%.

Reserves will move up with the furlough package if many senior people take it which I suspect, along with hundreds of retirees.

Sick penalty is the worst at 30%, and excessive sick is now 5 sick calls. But AFA will discuss "amensty" with management for DCP events due to sick in January.

Tidying a/c cities East of MCI CAN NOT INTERFERE WITH THE IAM UTILITY CBA OF 8 STATIONS (FIRST AND SECOND SHIFTS and RON). AFA secured a side letter to protect the utlity CBA and jobs as much as possible.

Some of the scheduling prvisions are major improvements allowing for trading trips, reserve days off, and reserves picking up trips above guarantee. Also dropping trips if coverage is sufficient and not be obligated for your time. F/as can drop trips on the ETB and not be obligated for the time if other f/a pick up the trip as well.

Committee did a great job. Carol Austin on the vacation days and scheduling, and Mollie McCarthy on reserve fought major hard (using even threats). Perry put it all together with clear language all written up in conjunction with our AFA staff negotiator. Perry pioneered the "amensty" for f/as on DCP.

We have also "good faith" commuter policy and 1 late check-in not held against the f/a in 12 months. Also the "VFR", from PIT PResident that makes this all work by moving folks up.

The entire committee worked to keep wages below 10%....mission accomplished.F/as now have to vote and decide whether they can live with these terms and these wages, and if they believe they have a future here at U.....

I give no recommendation "for or against". The f/as will decide.

 

[PITbull]

The AFA TA states:

AIRCRAFT TIDYING - Increased to include all domestic stations and Nassau (NAS) following every flight segment except: transoceanic flight segments; non-transoceanic flight segments (except NAS); flight segments immediately preceding the RON of the aircraft; following a red-eye; or following any segment that originates or terminates west of Kansas City (MCI) in North America; tidying duties remain the same.

DEFINED BENEFIT PLAN - After the Defined Benefit Plan is frozen, or if the Plan is terminated by the Bankruptcy Court, a Defined Contribution Plan will replace the DB plan with an Employer Contribution of 3%. Such contributions will begin on January 1, 2008.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

[post="229521"][/post]​

USA320,

Tidy planes with a "side letter" that f/a will not interfere with utility stations in CBA.

Also, we did better than you on vacation, and day rate.
Also, we did better than you on wage reduction.
Also, we did better than you with our f/a reserve provisions.

OUR T/A DID NOT GET WORSE THAN BEFORE BK. Before BK, it was MUCH worse, and the 85% strike vote helped secure our deal....


THANKS TO THE RANK AND FILE.

 

[PITbull]

The company needs to negotiate fairly and reasonably with the IAM...

If the company is not stupid, they will negotiate in "good faith" and not DEMAND.

IAM has been in negotiations at CCY every day, and the co. is just "dicking" around.

 

[Jennyann]

Overall its pretty good........Dont like the sick or vacation
Its better than the previous proposals though. AFA worked hard.