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They've got a haggard old battleaxe as a bride. Their pride can't let them admit she was like that before they were married and they won't admit that they had anything to do with making her like she is. So they go after her twin sister. Brilliant!

Their injustices ignore the many positive things their volunteers have done in the past. There's no denying that US went through some tough times, but they weren't brought on by ALPA. They didn't vote out ALPA after the pension mess. They waited until they had a transition agreement that gave them ultimate veto power combined with the extortion and intimidation power of U-SAPs. Unfortunately, the U-SAPs side of the extortion equation has begun to falter as many pilots question if there is anything to gain by replacing a strong national union with an underfunded, inexperienced and under supported one.

There are no genies in waiting to supply all the east could ever want. While I doubt anyone with a realistic perspective on ALPA would willingly support the U-SAPs, I wonder who Yosemite Sam thinks is going to staff his abomination? If the would-be saviors haven't shown a willingness to serve their fellow pilots under ALPA, what was holding them back? Are there that many stoics among the US pilots who are unwilling to soil their reputations by being associated with ALPA, but have no problem with backing out of every obligation they have entered into? And if the same ALPA volunteers do populate U-SAPs, what will have really been accomplished under U-SAPS other than cutting the US pilots off from the rest of the professional airline pilots in the US and worldwide and saddling them with punishing dues and assessments?

Back to reality...back to the election.

So....who YOU gonna vote for?

LET.....ME......GUESS........________ (fill in blank with ALPA). OK. Got that.

Looking forward to the lawsuit from you Dr. Evil, and the MASSIVE, COUNTLESS, 1 BILLION, TRILLON DOLLARS we'll pay!
 
"For your dues dollar, your AAA/AWA professional staff (like all ALPA offices) is the most seasoned and highly qualified individuals at ALPA and within the industry, focusing exclusively on pilot issues. They do your work when, where, and how it needs to be done. Given the extensive hours they work for you, it is in both the union’s and your best interest to employ these professionals rather than pay $200–$400 or more per hour for consultants or outside attorneys, a route that USAPA has decided to take."

"This message is brought to you by the ACPC or AWA concerned pilots committee, where our AWA MEC can run and work for cheaper than your US Airways MEC."

Hmmmm, let's see, slavery versus freedom?

Lets' engage the "spin" machine from ACPC (AWA pilots disquised as leadership.)
 
Back to reality...back to the election.

So....who YOU gonna vote for?

LET.....ME......GUESS........________ (fill in blank with ALPA). OK. Got that.

Looking forward to the lawsuit from you Dr. Evil, and the MASSIVE, COUNTLESS, 1 BILLION, TRILLON DOLLARS we'll pay!

I've got a better question for you. What are the U-SAPs going to do if the election doesn't go their way? I mean, of course after the claims of vote fraud and how ALPA and AT&T conspired to disable the phone lines throughout the east coast, disenfranchising the east pilots. You see, no one has ever seen the east accept a decision that goes against their manifest destiny. Since they don't accept and move on, what do you suppose their plan B is? Does anyone on the east have a Plan B?

Are alternates for sissies?
 
Looking forward to the lawsuit! Bring it on. I might suggest you hire:

Jeffrey R. Freund (D.C. Bar No. 163881)
Leon Dayan (D.C. Bar No. 444144)
Robert Alexander (D.C. Bar No. 465673)
Abigail V. Carter (D.C. Bar No. 474454)
Bredhoff & Kaiser, P.L.L.C.
805 15th Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20005
Tel: (202)842-2600
Fax: (202)842-1888

I'm sure ALPA is already preparing to offer these guys to you, it just WON'T be free! (Oh, wait, you'll debate me on that too. OK, you think ALPA will pay for it. We're going to find that out too. I believe you, ALPA will pay for it!)

Do you think Freund is a good lawyer? Why did you post his name? I met the guy once, he seems like a nice fellow. As one of his 1,800 clients I can say I am satisfied with his performance as legal counsel. Can you say the same for yours? I do not think we are going to use Freund for our suit though because he is not a litigator. This even came from Freund himself, he stepped aside and gave us a few names of people he thinks can serve us better. Makes sense, because litigation is not his specialty. A few of us (quite a few, actually) have retained a firm who are professional litigators.

I've asked "tooth" the same question you've been asked. If you two get your heads together, perhaps you can come up with another example of how ALPA curtailed your voice in important decisions. East came up with the pension, but I have yet to hear the answer to my follow-on question: how many in the MEC/LEC which were responsible for the pesnion give-away are still in leadership positions? Do you even know?
 
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Do you think Freund is a good lawyer? Why did you post his name? I met the guy once, he seems like a nice fellow. As one of his 1,800 clients I can say I am satisfied with his performance as legal counsel. Can you say the same for yours? I do not think we are going to use Freund for our suit though because he is not a litigator. This even came from Freund himself, he stepped aside and gave us a few names of people he thinks can serve us better. Makes sense, because litigation is not his specialty. A few of us (quite a few, actually) have retained a firm who are professional litigators.

I've asked "tooth" the same question you've been asked. If you two get your heads together, perhaps you can come up with another example of how ALPA curtailed your voice in important decisions. East came up with the pension, but I have yet to hear the answer to my follow-on question: how many in the MEC/LEC which were responsible for the pesnion give-away are still in leadership positions? Do you even know?

Good. Looking forward to the suit.
 
I've got a better question for you. What are the U-SAPs going to do if the election doesn't go their way? I mean, of course after the claims of vote fraud and how ALPA and AT&T conspired to disable the phone lines throughout the east coast, disenfranchising the east pilots. You see, no one has ever seen the east accept a decision that goes against their manifest destiny. Since they don't accept and move on, what do you suppose their plan B is? Does anyone on the east have a Plan B?

Are alternates for sissies?

Uhhhh....I don't know. And frankly, I don't see you guys enhancing the odds of an ALPA win, quite frankly.

So again, we'll just have to see. I know ALPA can't get 1422. Now that I'm sure of.
 
There is no East MEC/ West MEC after and election. Both Airline parties are "dissolved" after the election. Both sides are combined, the "parties" ALPA, East and West no longer exist if USAPA is voted in. East and West majority/minority are combined into "single carrier status" and same "craft and/or class" with the Election. USAPA will combine BEFORE what ALPA MUST combine after. There is no West minority or East majority anymore. The ballot box will determine the Majority/minority issue when ALL pilots cast their votes. And that is what the judge is going to look at.

End,

I must agree about the disconnect in your logic concerning the status of the pilot groups and the election. The only change to the status of the two pilot groups after the election would be the collective bargaining agent. The status of the contractual relationships in place prior to the election will remain after the election for the two individual pilot groups. These contractual relationships include the collective bargaining agreements each pilot group has with the company, the transition agreement between the pilot groups and the company, as well as the arbitrated seniority agreement between each pilot group and the company that produced the Nicalau award.

I think it is faulty logic to suggest that the transition agreement and the agreement to negotiate/mediate/arbitrate seniority are no longer valid if there is a change in representation because the pilot group would “magically become one merged groupâ€￾, yet the separate collective bargaining agreements remain valid and in place.

There is a dichotomy in the argument that under USAPA that the two groups are merged together as one without a seniority list or combined collective bargaining agreement and the argument that the Nicalau award is not valid because it cannot be implemented without a combined bargaining agreement as per the transition agreement, which you argue is not valid because it has expired.

According to the USAPA constitution and bylaws seniority is now strictly by DOH. As such would the entire list not have to be restructured and relocate the Shuttle and Empire pilots to their rightful seniority position?

 
I've got a better question for you. What are the U-SAPs going to do if the election doesn't go their way? I mean, of course after the claims of vote fraud and how ALPA and AT&T conspired to disable the phone lines throughout the east coast, disenfranchising the east pilots. You see, no one has ever seen the east accept a decision that goes against their manifest destiny. Since they don't accept and move on, what do you suppose their plan B is? Does anyone on the east have a Plan B?

Are alternates for sissies?

Look at the chart I provide a link for below. Your pilots brought the industry down pay wise for well over 20 years. Your pilots have been convicted of flying drunk, flying drugs and Ceo Doug Parker drove an automobile intoxicated many times endangering the lives of those around him, he has many previous DUI's and has not accepted the fact that he has an illness that requires treatment. Your Ceo Doug Parker was first in line to ask for a government loan using 911 and its victims as an excuse to bail him out for the sorry management talents he has. He made a quick 10 million dollars out of this tragedy. Now your Ceo wants to steal the seniority of a group while condoning an atmosphere of age discrimination, so he can merge an airline and make more.

Move on? No effecting way.

America West Pilot pay for years.

Here is a suggestion, please provide facts not your opinions if you can find any of my statements above false.
 
US Airways ALPA MEC Chairman's Message January 19, 2008

Fellow Pilots,

I am compelled once again to respond to another reckless attempt by the PHL Council 41 representatives to derail the process that the rest of your MEC stands behind. I imagine
that our largest council is unhappy with the fact that every other council doesn't have a
problem with seeing if we can come to a mutual agreement with the AWA pilots on
finding ways to mitigate the damages caused by the Nicolau Award to both groups, in
concert with developing a comprehensive JNC proposal that could be presented to each
MEC for their review and approval. No other council is sending intentionally misleading
communications meant to scare our pilots into thinking that the work of our three man
Steering Committee is somehow a direct route to the implementation of the Nicolau
Award “as is,†because it is not, and the rest of the MEC understands that.

I've spent my share of time on the MEC, representing pilots from two different domiciles,
PHL and BWI, and now as MEC Chairman, and I understand and certainly respect the
work and passion that is part and parcel to being a pilot representative. But just being the
representatives from the largest council and just being the representatives who cast the
most aspersions, does not guarantee that your opinions will prevail. The MEC is a policymaking
body, and they often disagree on the best course of action and how to make
policy. But whipping pilots up into a frenzy is irresponsible and shows a lack of
representational responsibility, especially when most of the "facts" being sent out are
untrue and jeopardize the direction that the majority of the MEC has decided to take. It
appears that the PHL agenda is to turn our pilots against the process—which hasn't even
started yet—by spreading untruths and careless innuendos.

The PHL Reps are not new to MEC business, so they should know better. To pretend to
not understand my role as MEC Chairman is ludicrous. They know full well that my
responsibility as MEC Chairman is to represent the MEC when they aren't in session. If
they don’t like the process that I have been communicating to you, then they should
confront their colleagues on the MEC and attempt to persuade them rather than resorting
to blaming me for everything that does not go their way. At our last meeting in
December, the PHL reps attempted to shut down the Steering Committee, but were
unable to convince a majority of their fellow MEC members that such action was in the
best interests of our pilots.

As MEC Chairman, I represent the MEC majority along with their direction and opinion.

When the MEC said they wanted the Nicolau Award to go away, that's what I insisted on
in my communications to our pilots and to ALPA’s Executive Council. When the MEC
said they wanted a permanent, separate - but equal operation, that’s what I
communicated. When the MEC directed your Negotiating Committee to obtain
retroactive pay parity, I delivered that message to Captain Prater, ALPA’s Executive
Council and to our pilots. The Executive Council ultimately responded with a resolution
endorsing pay parity for East pilots as a priority. And when the MEC unanimously
endorsed the concept of a Blue Ribbon Panel, I delivered that message to Captain Prater,
who responded by directing that both MECs staff such a panel. And finally, when the
MEC elected to investigate a process with the AWA pilots to determine if mitigating the
damages of the Nicolau Award were possible—yes, a change from their previous
position, and for good reason, that's what I reported to you in my letters and my
Chairman messages.

If the PHL reps aren't happy with what I'm saying, that is fine, and I respect their right to
disagree with the majority, but they can’t pretend to think that I, as MEC Chairman, can
make a unilateral change to the direction the rest of the MEC has set. They can’t pretend
to think that I am responsible for setting our policy and direction. And as I have told them
repeatedly, if they don’t like the direction that I am reporting to you, then they need to go
back to the rest of the MEC, develop an agenda, call a special meeting, and convince the
other 10 members that what I'm saying is not consistent with the direction they have set.

They haven't been able to do that so far, either because they are unwilling, or they know
that the rest of the MEC is not buying into their tirades and tactics, so they continue to
lash out and vent their frustrations on me.

I respect the right of the PHL Council to disagree with what I say. But they ought to be
smart enough to know that I alone can't fix what they want fixed. The MEC Chairman
doesn't set policy, the MEC does. My job is to implement and communicate to you what
they have set.

It’s also very important to note that no MEC resolutions have been "broken" during this
whole process, and you haven't heard a word about broken resolutions from other LEC
reps—because it never happened. As we embarked on the grueling process of dealing
with the aftermath of the Nicolau Award at our Special MEC Meeting in Herndon on
May 6, 2007, the MEC passed a series of resolutions throughout the summer months and
into the fall. The latest of these resolutions was passed unanimously (all 12 reps on the
MEC voting in the affirmative!) on October 13, 2007:

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED the AAA MEC requests that ALPA National establish a
Blue Ribbon Panel composed of East and West pilots selected by each MEC, with a 30-
day duration, to jointly negotiate a mutually acceptable solution to the Nicolau Award to
include pay parity and seniority related issues, and

THEREFORE BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED the results of the panel will be presented to
each MEC for review and approval prior to serving as a basis for any JNC negotiations.

Passed Unanimously

This is exactly what we are engaged in now. Depending on the progress of this process,
some resolutions may have to be revisited. For example, if the three-man panel process
continues to move forward, and we get to a point where the AAA MEC agrees with the
AWA MEC on a counterproposal to present to the company, then the MEC will have to
pass a resolution that directs that Negotiating Committee members be reassigned to the
JNC, as was described in the process that your MEC developed. If you look at the
pertinent MEC actions that we've posted on the Merger Committee page on our website,
you'll see that all MEC resolutions are being followed.

The PHL reps know that, but they often pretend as though they don’t. I’m asking your
PHL reps to get their message straight, as they seem to advocate in the beginning of this
Council 41 Update from last June:

Update for June 6, 2007 #2

Say what you mean and mean what you say!

Dear Philadelphia Pilots,

It would seem that for most folks “meaning what you say†would be a fundamental belief
learned at a very young age. It is one of those human characteristics that goes right to
the core of one’s personality and soul.

Unfortunately, it is a trait that is getting harder and harder to find among our leaders,
both within Management and the Union.

We have watched our fellow pilots in positions of union leadership say one thing and
then do something completely different. It doesn’t seem to matter whether it’s to an
individual or 400 people, whether it’s by spoken word or in writing. They lack the
strength of character to honor their previously stated or written commitments. Why? I
suppose at the time it is the easier choice, usually involving less confrontation with less
risk. Risk produces fear, and fear is a powerful motivator for these individuals. They
don’t like absolutes. They do like excuses. They look to so-called “experts,†who in most
cases are no more qualified than you or I, to make a basic decision for them. Many times
these experts have their own agendas and interests.

It is unfortunate that these individuals are able to find their way into positions of
leadership and representation; they sell themselves as something that they are not to the
pilots they are supposed to represent. These individual’s and their flaws of character are
at the heart of what has been lost in our profession.

The Aviators of yesterday were not fearful; they had courage to make decisions and then
to standby them, not hide (in closed session) from them. They would not be threatened by
risk and were extremely self reliant and independent; they didn’t need experts to hide
behind. They would not compromise their principals due to fear or for expediency. And
they said what they meant and meant what they said.

I couldn’t agree more. Who would respect a man who hid or concealed an agenda? What
kind of a leader would pretend to be someone he is not? And who would remain in a
position of representation and/or responsibility for one union, when they thought another
union, currently fighting for the right to represent your pilots, could do a better job? A
man must mean what he says and he should say what he means, notwithstanding the
possibility of course, that one may elect to change one’s mind or to have a change of
heart.

But in the following month, in a July 30, 2007 Council 41 Fast Read, the PHL reps wrote:

On the Decert

I ,Eric, know three fellows involved in the decert. They are all fine fellows as far as I
can tell. Supporters of Dave and I? The pilots I know working on the decert are not even
Philly pilots. The closest thing I have said about the decert is that “If ALPA throws holy
water on this list I am out of here, I will not represent an organization that would do
such a thing. When I leave I will take as many pilots with me as I can.â€

As we know, ALPA delivered the list to the Company on December 19, 2007. That was
over 30 days ago. My question to Captain Rowe is simply this - does he mean what he
said, or was he just pretending again, had a change of heart, or is he now just waffling?
I apologize that you have to tolerate the volley of incendiary communications that you so
strongly abhor. As I've said to you before, all we ask is that you give this process to
mitigate damages to the Nicolau Award every chance to succeed. While it is a process
that PHL Council 41 only seems to actively oppose when the MEC is not in session and a
process they blame me for, it is the direction that the majority of the MEC are
comfortable with proceeding. The communications from PHL Council 41 indicate that
they are unwilling to look under every stone to protect you from the Nicolau Award.

Perhaps like USAPA, they want your MEC to fail. Your MEC officers and the other
members of your MEC continue to support the process to seek solutions to the problems
caused by the Nicolau Award. As this may be our last opportunity to find acceptable
mutual solutions, we won’t give up on you in our efforts.

Fraternally,

Jack Stephan
US Airways MEC Chairman
 
US Airways ALPA MEC Chairman's Message January 19, 2008

Fellow Pilots,

I am compelled once again to respond to another reckless attempt by the PHL Council 41 representatives to derail the process that the rest of your MEC stands behind. Blah, blah, blah and blah.

Fraternally,

Jack Stephan
US Airways MEC Chairman

usa320 statement

USA320 was taken prisoner and brainwashed, he has changed his tune. I feel this is a direct result of the effects of the Stockholm syndrome.
 
usa320 statement

USA320 was taken prisoner and brainwashed, he has changed his tune. I feel this is a direct result of the effects of the Stockholm syndrome.

Yes. I thought this funny, too. After all these years, you can count on him for one thing....he waffles more than the MEC. He's grateful for his job back so now he's back and returning the "favor". Buy United stock, quick!

Consistency has never been a virtue on his part.
 
Yes. I thought this funny, too. After all these years, you can count on him for one thing....he waffles more than the MEC. He's grateful for his job back so now he's back and returning the "favor". Buy United stock, quick!

Consistency has never been a virtue on his part.

He is a coward. He will get his job with ALPA afterwards, where he can join his peers.
 
FYI:

Understanding the USAPA Constitution
"The How's and Why's of Better Representation"


Part One - Representation and Roll Call

This is the first in a multi-part series on the USAPA Constitution. In this issue we focus on representational structure and the Roll Call. Before we go any further, it is important for pilots to know that Roll Call as the pilots know it does not exist in the USAPA Constitution.

Many volunteers have spent, so far, literally thousands of hours of their personal time to build a new union for you and your fellow pilots; one that will finally put the pilots back in control of their own futures. As USAPA moved closer to bringing a representational election to the US Airways pilot group, there was heated debate among the officers and volunteers as to what kind of representational structure to propose in the Constitution and By-Laws (CBL). This debate surrounded the failures of representation of our current bargaining agent and the desire to bring something better to the new union and the pilots. Some of the new ideas debated included block representation, seniority block representation, block voting and elimination of the Roll Call vote, amongst others. Nothing was excluded from consideration.

Regretfully, demographics showed that there was likelihood that such a system could give the appearance of favoring the East and, as such a system is untried, our legal team felt it was very likely that we would face legal challenges. Radical changes in representational structure by USAPA would open doors to those who might file Duty of Fair Representation (DFR) lawsuits claiming that the new representational structure unfairly disadvantaged certain members. After much consideration, the USAPA leadership team adopted the proposed CBL in an effort to minimize potential lawsuits and also to provide the representation that the pilots need and desire. With enough on our plate as it is, the very difficult decision was made to use a more “tried and true†system, smoothing off the rough edges as well as we could. The choice was to fall back to a system paralleling that of the APA, tested and proven over a 40 year period, or use an untried system that could imperil the very existence of USAPA. We would have been remiss to choose otherwise.

So, this decision having been made, we were now decided on a representational system. At this point a discussion is in order with regards to the three types of votes that can be cast by a representative body:

1. Voice Vote: the classic, “Aye†or “Nayâ€. There is no record of the tally and the Chair calls the outcome. The idea is, one representative, one vote, the majority (of the representatives present), wins. This is the most common type of vote and arguably, not really democratic, since a representative of say 50 pilots, has the same leverage as one who represents the will of 1,000 Line Pilots.

2. Division: A tally of the outcome is recorded. The outcome; for example, “the motion carries, 8-Ayes and 6-Nays.†- becomes a part of the permanent record. There is an argument that a list (by name) of which representatives voted, and which way, should be permanently recorded.

Still, one notices that there is no proportional representation here. In other words, if the representatives of two or three small crew bases form a coalition, their collective votes, which still represent a minority of the pilots they represent, can override the expressed will of the single, 1,000 pilot crew base.

3. Roll Call: in this style of vote, a representative, whose pilot constituency is large, calls upon the Chairman to tally the number of pilots, represented by each of the members voting.

In effect, each pilot-representative speaks for the number of pilots in his crew base. When the pilot representing 1,000 pilots votes, he votes with the voices of his 1,000 Line Pilots. When the pilot representing 110 pilots votes, he votes with the voices of his 110 Line Pilots.

The Roll Call vote was designed to bring in the elements of the House of Representatives by allowing a population vote. Using a real-world example - without any ability to Roll Call vote on an issue, small bases (such as BOS with 141 pilots, LGA with 103 pilots and DCA with 279 pilots) would be able to control the agenda and the votes of the two other largest bases, CLT and PHL. In a straight senatorial vote, the 523 pilots from BOS, LGA, and DCA combined could control the MEC (known as the BPR or Board of Pilot Representatives, under USAPA) while the 2,277 pilots from PHL and CLT are out-voted. In this example a system such as this would not survive a court challenge. A Duty of Fair Representation (DFR) lawsuit would almost certainly prevail in a situation where it could be proven that 523 pilots could outvote a number over 4 times as large. This is not the definition of democracy.

To recap, having decided upon a more traditional representational structure, one can see that it must include the Roll Call vote. How then to mitigate the negative effects of the Roll Call? We fell back on the one principle that goes to the heart of USAPA, “Let The Pilots Decide.†Quite simply, in the event Roll Call is used, the issue goes to the pilots for ratification. Thus, in the end it is the pilots who decide.

Below follows the relevant text from the Constitution (comments and emphasis added):

Article IV Pilot Board of Representatives, section 3, paragraph (B) as follows:

Roll Call voting (division of the house) shall be permitted only for votes taken to approve or reject basic collective bargaining agreements and interim amendments thereto (aka, Side Letters); setting parameters for collective bargaining; agreements on affiliation or merger with another labor organization; agreements arising from a merger of, or successor transactions involving, the employer or its parent (including seniority integration agreements); and amendments to the Constitution and Bylaws. On a Roll Call vote, each member of the Board shall be entitled to vote fifty percent (50%) of the active members in good standing at his domicile provided that;

1. The representative from a domicile having one hundred (100) or less members shall be entitled to one (1) vote for each active member in good standing at his domicile, and

2. For domiciles having one thousand (1000) or more members, each representative shall be entitled to vote one third (1/3) of the active members in good standing at the domicile.

As you can see above, please note that USAPA limits the use of the Roll Call vote to the following:

(1) Approve or reject a basic working agreement. This is backed up by pilot ratification

(2) Interim agreements thereto; e.g., Side Letters. This is backed up by pilot ratification

(3) Bargaining parameters and goals

(4) Agreements on affiliation or merger with another labor organization. This is backed up by pilot ratification.

(5) Agreements arising from a merger or successor transactions involving, the employer or its parent, (including seniority integration agreements) This is backed up by pilot ratification

(6) Amendments to the constitution and bylaws. This is backed up by pilot ratification.

Note that of the only 6 conditions in which Roll Call voting is allowed, 5 are backed up by pilot ratification. Pilot ratification is the circuit breaker to this issue and it follows almost all Roll Call votes. The only situation in which Roll Call can be used and not backed up by pilot ratification is the setting of bargaining parameters. The reason for this is due to the nature of debate during the setting of bargaining parameters; were Roll Call to be used it could paralyze the process due to multiple ratifications, possible even in a single day.

So, as you can now see, Roll Call as the pilots know it does not exist in the USAPA Constitution, just one of the many advantages of the USAPA Constitution over that of the current Collective Bargaining Agent.

Once elected and with participation from all pilots this system can be altered if the pilots so desire into a seniority block representation system or other type of representation system that doesn’t involve the Roll Call vote, again the beauty of USAPA’s Constitution, wherein the pilots decide.

For a legal opinion on this subject, click here to read USAPA attorney Scott Peterson’s comments.

Watch for our next article in this series. Upcoming issues will discuss:

Election of Officers by the membership
Recall of Officers by the membership
Compensation of Officers
Limitation of expenses
Requirement for professional negotiator
Constraints on negotiations, including notification and authorization
Guaranteed pilot ratification
If you have any questions or comments on this or any other subjects, please send an email to Info@USAirlinePilots.org
 
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