AUG/SEPT 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[fatherabraham]

No way, this deal is about as bad as it gets. COC gone , scope gone, min. flt gone, ASK Paul Diorio about this. No pairity for 3 yrs and a small bounus give me a break. HUMMEL and the compass correction boys have to go now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE HAVE BEEN SOLD OUT BIG TIME.

Agree it sucks 🙁

 

[Pi brat]

What picket line has Res Judicata crossed?

Talk about making accusations.

He said he would, I didn't have to make an accusation!

If you are going to run your mouth then you should be able to back it up. When did back out of my agreement, or whatever you said?

 

[Pi brat]

All,
The info I've just seen seems to indicate the mou = BPR passing a list per MB

FA

I don't understand what this means.

 

[Pi brat]

No way, this deal is about as bad as it gets. COC gone , scope gone, min. flt gone, ASK Paul Diorio about this. No pairity for 3 yrs and a small bounus give me a break. HUMMEL and the compass correction boys have to go now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE HAVE BEEN SOLD OUT BIG TIME.

9,

If it's that bad I will vote against it too. Have you seen it? Were you at the meeting today? I don't see anything on the website and when I talked to a NAC member the other day he said it wasn't finished.

 

[luvthe9]

Agree it sucks 🙁

Your wrong, if it sucked only that would be great, this is way beyond that, when this group understands what Hummel , Caibattoni, Rowe, Menear, Thomas have done to this pilot group rates right up there with the pension give away. I'm sure there proud of themselves.

 

[fatherabraham]

I don't understand what this means.

Pi ,

Not sticking my neck out on interpretation , am usually bad at that!

FA

 

[Pi brat]

Your wrong, if it sucked only that would be great, this is way beyond that, when these group understands what Hummel , Caibattoni, Rowe, Menear, Thomas have done to this pilot group rates right up there with the pension give away. I'm sure there proud of themselves.

It's not DONE yet. It still has to be voted on. The sky is not falling.

 

[luvthe9]

Wow, now everyone knows why the company wanted Paul Diorio off the negoatiating committee. If you really want to gat a idea off how bad this is please give or e-mail Paul, and yes I'm sure we have our ususal group that thinks this is OK (there nuts or just stupid). 9500$ is a slap in the face for for what this group has given over the last 7 or so years.

 

[Pi brat]

Pi ,

Not sticking my neck out on interpretation , am usually bad at that!

FA

Ok, you've got me scratching my head on that one. You said from what you have seen. What have you seen? Do you have a copy of the MOU? I don't see in on the website and didn't go to the meeting.

 

[fatherabraham]

Notes per 1 NAC member:



> Unedited
>
> USAPA equal at table for CBS
>
> Pay from day one of POR
>
> Reimburse USAPA. Positive space for committee
>
> Pay parity at three years. Will discuss total cockpit pay costs vs pay
> rate during CBA.
> Compensation
> Vacation
> Retirement
> Health and welfare
>
> Kirby said they would only look at top of scale rates
>
> Three year bridge on std for west. Starts when new LTD benefits start.
>
> Pilots with over 1000 hours sick balance retain what's over 1000. If you
> have over you get the sixty hours per year but you lose it at the end of
> the year if you don't use it or sell it back
>
> Furlough protection for any pilot not on furlough at date of signing of
> CBA.
>
> Pay protection  at hourly pay rate. Lasts until you can hold that rate or
> better some where else. USAPA and APA have problem with that. Talk about
> it in CBA talks.
>
> Group 1 pay protection. If forced to the 190.
>
> Captain group 3 FO rate. 126.27
>
> FO. Group 2 FO pay. 79.75 to 117.26.
>
> Ends when pilot can hold that position pay or better.
>
> Joint CBA will apply with any corporate structure of AMR and USAir.
>
> Pilot reps will deliver a seniority list in accordance with McCaskill
> bond.
>
> Fleet protections
> Following lasts until the earlier of:
> 18 months past time of single operating certificate or expectation of
> fences.
>
> Effective date  POR signing
>
> Seniority within 24 mos of effective date
>
> Pay parity. 36 mos of effective date
>
> Negotiations for new CBA. 48 mos
>
> Block hour protection
>
> Base line total flying look back 12 mos from effective date while fleet
>
> Separate wide look back also.
>
> Must remain within 5%
>
> Widebody within 10%
>
> 190 fair distribution starts after the 31 st aircraft.  They will get 2
> for 1 aircraft delivered
>
> Shuttle flying by USAir.
>
> Current Hawaii flying by PHX.
>
> Company gets
>
> Code share on AA. And US on AA
>
> Waive coc lpp's and TA min fleet language.
>
> COC is so transaction can be AMR purchase LCC. It would make transaction
> cheaper
>
> Extras
>
> Std
> Sick
> 190 pay
>
> Extra bonus
> 40 mil to pilots
> $10000 each
>
>

 

[traderjake]

He said he would, I didn't have to make an accusation!

If you are going to run your mouth then you should be able to back it up. When did back out of my agreement, or whatever you said?

And you "said" you oppose the Nicolau award and you support an organization created to renege on a mutually agreed upon arbitration.

Res can be labeled for something he's said but hasn't actually done, you on the other hand can't be labeled based on what you've said until you actually do it.

What a hypocrite.

 

[GuntherA320]

Those notes are accurate. Meeting is still going on.

Notes per 1 NAC member:



> Unedited
>
> USAPA equal at table for CBS
>
> Pay from day one of POR
>
> Reimburse USAPA. Positive space for committee
>
> Pay parity at three years. Will discuss total cockpit pay costs vs pay
> rate during CBA.
> Compensation
> Vacation
> Retirement
> Health and welfare
>
> Kirby said they would only look at top of scale rates
>
> Three year bridge on std for west. Starts when new LTD benefits start.
>
> Pilots with over 1000 hours sick balance retain what's over 1000. If you
> have over you get the sixty hours per year but you lose it at the end of
> the year if you don't use it or sell it back
>
> Furlough protection for any pilot not on furlough at date of signing of
> CBA.
>
> Pay protection at hourly pay rate. Lasts until you can hold that rate or
> better some where else. USAPA and APA have problem with that. Talk about
> it in CBA talks.
>
> Group 1 pay protection. If forced to the 190.
>
> Captain group 3 FO rate. 126.27
>
> FO. Group 2 FO pay. 79.75 to 117.26.
>
> Ends when pilot can hold that position pay or better.
>
> Joint CBA will apply with any corporate structure of AMR and USAir.
>
> Pilot reps will deliver a seniority list in accordance with McCaskill
> bond.
>
> Fleet protections
> Following lasts until the earlier of:
> 18 months past time of single operating certificate or expectation of
> fences.
>
> Effective date POR signing
>
> Seniority within 24 mos of effective date
>
> Pay parity. 36 mos of effective date
>
> Negotiations for new CBA. 48 mos
>
> Block hour protection
>
> Base line total flying look back 12 mos from effective date while fleet
>
> Separate wide look back also.
>
> Must remain within 5%
>
> Widebody within 10%
>
> 190 fair distribution starts after the 31 st aircraft. They will get 2
> for 1 aircraft delivered
>
> Shuttle flying by USAir.
>
> Current Hawaii flying by PHX.
>
> Company gets
>
> Code share on AA. And US on AA
>
> Waive coc lpp's and TA min fleet language.
>
> COC is so transaction can be AMR purchase LCC. It would make transaction
> cheaper
>
> Extras
>
> Std
> Sick
> 190 pay
>
> Extra bonus
> 40 mil to pilots
> $10000 each
>
>

 

[luvthe9]

Those notes are accurate. Meeting is still going on.

No Kidding, can't wait for more good news.

 

[fatherabraham]

Gunther/Luv,

Do the GAG outnumber the rest at meeting in clt today?

FA

 

[traderjake]

If we lose our sick bank that's a deal breaker for me.

It should still be put out for a vote by the pilots.