AUG/SEPT 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[A320 Driver]

Well it's moot point now it will be going out for a vote and I'm sure the Tremblers will pass it, Way to go DCA.

Yes, you can thank them for your $49,000/yr raise, your 35 days of vacation, your NAC and negotiator at the table on equal footing with APA, your 190 protection, your downsizing protection, the list goes on.

Driver...

 

[Monkee]

Well it's moot point now it will be going out for a vote and I'm sure the Tremblers will pass it, Way to go DCA.

But, I thought majority ruled? Sucks to feel disenfranchised by people who don't vote the way you want. USAPA has been a monumental mistake, but it is not like no one warned you guys.

 

[Move2CLT]

Just popped up on another board:

USAPA Reaches Deal With US Airways Contingent Upon a Merger with American

USAPA has announced a deal with US Airways management which only goes into effect if a merger with American Airlines occurs. The agreement provides phased in parity increases for US Airways pilots as well as a number of other favorable provisions. The agreement waives certain scope protections from the Pilot agreements, including the Labor Protective Provisions, change of control and minimum aircraft language.  

The USAPA/US Airways agreement is not a stand-alone agreement, meaning if the merger with American Airlines does not happen, US Airways pilots will remain without a single (West/East) agreement and stuck at their current wage rates. In contrast, our agreement is a stand-alone agreement which is not tied into a merger with American or any other carrier. 

AFA and US Airways management have agreed to discuss merger-related issues in separate negotiations. A copy of the letter is attached here. Subjects of these discussions will include fence provisions, early out, no-furlough language as well as process for reaching a single agreement. As Doug Parker has repeatedly indicated, a merger with American will allow the new company to negotiate higher rates of pay.  Rest assured, we will hold him to his word.

 

[Move2CLT]

I just verified with the original poster that it was an AFA announcement.

 

[Move2CLT]

Yes, you can thank them for your $49,000/yr raise, your 35 days of vacation, your NAC and negotiator at the table on equal footing with APA, your 190 protection, your downsizing protection, the list goes on.

Driver...

Shhhhhhh, you may give him common sense.

Then again, you may not.

 

[Move2CLT]

It won't be. Parker etc have told you point blank they and corporate legal feel it's going to be a 3 way integration East, APA and AWA.

I'm sure, despite claims AOL is on the in with APA, the American pilots are not putting a 2005 hire from West in their skipper seats. So, APA, Usapa, the CEO and the company legal team are going to appear before the real deal - a Federal Arbitrator not an internal union process - and say it's a 3 way. I'm sure Marty will scurry in their and say it's not.

Then the Arbitrator will rule. And if he agrees it's a 3 way - I'll repeat myself - who are you ok going to sue? How can you possibly sue?

Dream on boo boo. This is a two way with USAPA and APA with our side using the Nic. Parker isn't going to risk another lawsuit over your antics.

Make peace with the Nic now - you'll be living with it soon.

 

[A320 Driver]

It's on the floor but hasn't been voted on yet.

Driver...

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Great letter from one of our pilots who understands. Permission to publish granted. I am going fishing.
.... Attorney Wilder our prof. negotiator said to me personally yesterday that Parker is not a good businessman, he is basically using slave labor and calling himself a success. He said he wished he he could do the same with his law firm, but if he did not pay his people well and kept more money for himself, he would be out of business do to the inferior help. ...

I think Wilder just called all of us inferior help. Yes, that's sort of a stretch, but so is what Wilder said about Doug. He has proven himself capable and visionary, and I think that we are here bickering is testament to that. I wonder if Horton or any other CEO could do what DP has with what DP has had to work with post 9/11? As far as some of his tactics go, that's another story for another day. We're all familiar with that one though.

 

[Beancounter]

Just popped up on another board:

USAPA Reaches Deal With US Airways Contingent Upon a Merger with American

USAPA has announced a deal with US Airways management which only goes into effect if a merger with American Airlines occurs. The agreement provides phased in parity increases for US Airways pilots as well as a number of other favorable provisions. The agreement waives certain scope protections from the Pilot agreements, including the Labor Protective Provisions, change of control and minimum aircraft language.

The USAPA/US Airways agreement is not a stand-alone agreement, meaning if the merger with American Airlines does not happen, US Airways pilots will remain without a single (West/East) agreement and stuck at their current wage rates. In contrast, our agreement is a stand-alone agreement which is not tied into a merger with American or any other carrier.

AFA and US Airways management have agreed to discuss merger-related issues in separate negotiations. A copy of the letter is attached here. Subjects of these discussions will include fence provisions, early out, no-furlough language as well as process for reaching a single agreement. As Doug Parker has repeatedly indicated, a merger with American will allow the new company to negotiate higher rates of pay. Rest assured, we will hold him to his word.

Just looked through the tentative MOU slide show. Cautiously optimistic.

Bean

 

[luvthe9]

But, I thought majority ruled? Sucks to feel disenfranchised by people who don't vote the way you want. USAPA has been a monumental mistake, but it is not like no one warned you guys.

No problem with that I just think they could have done much better.

 

[luvthe9]

Yes, you can thank them for your $49,000/yr raise, your 35 days of vacation, your NAC and negotiator at the table on equal footing with APA, your 190 protection, your downsizing protection, the list goes on.

Driver...

And you will need that raise to pay the extra coulple of hundred in health care per month plus the other hidden goodies, poor westies health care will go up about 400 to 450 a month depending on family, Hey, I'm starting to think you the one who's daddy bought you a C-310 to build mutli time up, am I right.

 

[Freighterguynow]

Make peace with the Nic now - you'll be living with it soon.

4.5 years Bubba - 4 1/2 years you're Gunna wait even if your Hail Mary comes to pass.

 

[Pi brat]

The USAPA website says this:

"Due to the late hour and importance of this resolution, a MOTION to postpone until tomorrow at 9AM, August 23, 2012, was passed unanimously. "

So which is it?

 

[Piedmont1984]

If this MOU is rejected, or if it never happened, does the APA Term Sheet dictate pay and work rules at the POR date, or do we remain on LOA93/C2004? How about when the NMB declares we are all APA?

I've asked the union and await a response.

Not trembling, just keeping my balance on this fence.

 

[Beancounter]

And you will need that raise to pay the extra coulple of hundred in health care per month plus the other hidden goodies, poor westies health care will go up about 400 to 450 a month depending on family, Hey, I'm startying to think you the one who's daddy bought you a C-310 to build mutli time up, am I right.

We've got USAPA to thank for that. We were screaming that our contract had good things in it long ago, but the FOCrs ignored us in their quest for DOH. If that midget moron and his underlings hadn't been in power we probably would have been at the table with APA and Parker in the first place instead of playing catch-up for table scraps. Yes, it sucks, but please give credit (blame) where it is due.

Bean