AUG/SEPT 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Well, I've read the BPR minutes for today as well as the latest CC update.

Think I'll release the parking brake and return to the gate - looks like a lengthy delay.

Does anyone have any second thoughts about those 'Compass Corruption' boys and how they will sell us out?

They crafted the MOU now want you to vote against it classic!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

My sincere thanx to my CLT reps for manning up and calling it, the PIG it is! MM!

 

[Piedmont1984]

They crafted the MOU now want you to vote against it classic!

There is nothing classic about this whole situation - another merger, another union change, a festering SLI dispute. There are no maps for the terrain we find ourselves in.

 

[luvthe9]

My sincere thanx to my CLT reps for manning up and calling it, the PIG it is! MM!

Same goes to all 3 PHL reps, good job this is a real POS MOU.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

There is nothing classic about this whole situation - another merger, another union change, a festering SLI dispute. There are no maps for the terrain we find ourselves in.

Depends on a point of view , I disagree!

 

[N924PS]

There is nothing classic about this whole situation - another merger, another union change, a festering SLI dispute. There are no maps for the terrain we find ourselves in.

Yes, but no shortage of navigators to point us in the "right" direction.

Between the Iron Compass, Compass Correction, and Bill Glynn's Missives, there is no shortage of misinformation on which to make your decision. Ahh, but who is telling the truth? Who should I believe?

I've got three compasses giving me conflicting heading information. Which one do I trust? Too bad there's not an ECAM or QRH procedure to set the course correctly.

What do you think K? You seem to be the most well informed poster of late. What's your spin?

 

[Hate2fly]

The Compass Corruption boys are telling the masses to vote no. You have got to love these guys. They put check pilot Gary in the position of prez and then send Ciabbatoni and Owens to NY for the crafting of this MOU. Great work by the wizards of airways. Remember everyone it was Gary's (Compass boys) leadership that wanted and brought this pos MOU. Now they bring out Woody to tell everyone how bad it is. Great work by the Hummel/Compass Corruption Leadership Team. You can't make this stuff up.
Hate

 

[Beancounter]

This situation just sucks. I have a feeling that if we turn it down the end result will be no seat at the table and no pay raise for several more years. On the flip side, I can't believe the lack of scope/protection. Unless I'm reading something wrong: unlimited Alaska codeshare? What, so we can be like American currently is? Basically an international LAX base and Alaska does all the west coast flying? I think Alaska is a great airline, but my answer to that is %*#$ NO! The pathetic thing is we aren't in a position to get the scope in there. A big old thank you to USAPAs previous leadership, they really #$@#ed us over in their quest for personal gain.

Bean wanta stay west

 

[flyer63]

A big hell no, come on guys we have Been thru so much,don't puss out now.
I think we should start picketing Parker's house and Kirby, they are the enemy and scum

 

[Pi brat]

I've never taken an illegal drug in my life, but somehow I'm thinking this is what an acid trip is like.

 

[EastCheats]

I guess you all dont care that the AFA and three IAM CBAs have the COC language.

Based on the responses you have gotten thus far...I guesss not.

 

[Phoenix]

A big hell no, come on guys we have Been thru so much,don't puss out now.
I think we should start picketing Parker's house and Kirby, they are the enemy and scum

Agreed. Enough already of this petty sniping at pilots, saying my leader rocks and yours is ruining everything. DUI is the one trying to take away scope. No. No. No.

 

[Res Judicata]

Agreed. Enough already of this petty sniping at pilots, saying my leader rocks and yours is ruining everything. DUI is the one trying to take away scope. No. No. No.

And you're going to stop him with an MOU that he doesn't need from a group he's already completely ignored? That's the Good Ole Eastie mentality that we know so well! Keep it up! Take out another USA Today ad full of lies and embarrassment...it's worked so equisitely in the past.

 

[A320 Driver]

And you're going to stop him with an MOU that he doesn't need from a group he's already completely ignored? That's the Good Ole Eastie mentality that we know so well! Keep it up! Take out another USA Today ad full of lies and embarrassment...it's worked so equisitely in the past.

There are plenty of reasons to vote no to this MOU. But, IMO, there are more reasons to vote yes. Already misinformation is circulating the pilot group and this board. I saw a nearly page long post that was filled with it. This is the time, more than ever before, that pilots need to invest the time to go to the roadshows and listen to the people that negotiated this document. For every point of change to our contract, there is a counterpoint or something to replace it that ties directly to this merger. I caution everyone to put the emotion and rumors aside and make an informed decision...up or down.

I invested three of my off days to go to these meetings and I got a real education. The best part was listening first hand to our NAC, our negotiator and our lawyers. I feel that I know enough to make that informed decision. I have no problem with this agreement being voted up or down as long as it's done by a pilot group that is using it's head and looking forward. I wish every pilot could stand in a room like I did and listen to our management explain this merger and what it means going forward. Those of you that know me are full aware of my mistrust for management. Living through the Wolfe era taught me that. But there is a big difference in where we were and where we are. Wolfe wanted to dress up a pig and sell it, no matter what it took. From the get go he wanted to profit from it and walk away. At least this bunch wants to run an airline. They seem to have a grip on ops and we, as employees, are putting up some impressive performance numbers. Now, if we could combine those performance numbers with a reasonable contract, we would have something that we haven't had since 1989.

Invest the time...it's your future.

Driver...

 

[Piedmont1984]

Yes, but no shortage of navigators to point us in the "right" direction.

Between the Iron Compass, Compass Correction, and Bill Glynn's Missives, there is no shortage of misinformation on which to make your decision. Ahh, but who is telling the truth? Who should I believe?

I've got three compasses giving me conflicting heading information. Which one do I trust? Too bad there's not an ECAM or QRH procedure to set the course correctly.

What do you think K? You seem to be the most well informed poster of late. What's your spin?

I'm no better informed than you 924. No vote till 3rd week of September. I'm glad we will decide our own fate and have a month to listen and reflect.

In the mean time, maybe some improvements in this MOU will be forthcoming.