AUG/SEPT 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Walmartgreeter]

88,
Great question. This mou was a rush job by the Compass Corruption/Hummel leadership team. They put the NAC team together. They own this pos mou. Good luck to all of us.
Hate

"Sigh."CC and Hummel? Guess you have not paid attention for the last 2 years, nor even read the latest CC.All four of the NAC were elected by a majority of the BPR. I don't recall Hummel having a vote.The entire BPR commissioned the NAC to go after the MOU, and they came back with what I consider to be about an 80% success rate, not including the bonus $40M payment (yes, bribe) to make up for the $120M retirement debt owed to purchase AMR. The NAC went after our fair share of $90M, and came out of the fight with $40M. Looks like a good "yes" to me, although McKee and his goons (now absent Cleary) never have never figured out where "yes" actually is.No luck to us all, only informed decisions. Raise your seat up little man and take a peek. Maybe it will improve your crosscheck.By the way, signed the Crimi recall sheet today. Look forward to the presentation of the roster to the Treasurer."sigh."Greeter

 

[nic4us]

I was wondering when an Eastie would float the idea of stealing more than their share...you never disappoint.

That same thought crossed my mind 3 days ago.

88B.T.D. has not posted in some time but typically was a more reserved east poster,,,,so, lets just answere his question.

The reason the 40 million gets shared equally is because it is not a payment for the east COC provision. It would be a part of a complete package deal for all LCC pilots.

 

[nic4us]

88,
Great question. This mou was a rush job by the Compass Corruption/Hummel leadership team. They put the NAC team together. They own this pos mou. Good luck to all of us.
Hate

So Hate2..you would not mind if the West takes all 40 million, because your COC is actually next to worthless, but our STD give away is worth north of 40 million?

 

[Phoenix]

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You sure are working hard trying to TELL all of us how we should vote. That right there raises red flags. ..

The BPR has recommended how you should vote... And for all I know you don't like it that they recommended how you should vote...

SInce you brought up "Red Flags" did you notice that all three factions of the BPR actually joined in unison... let me say that again... THREE FACTIONS of the BPR joined TOGETHER and recommended a NO vote. That to me is a red flag. What do they know about this MOU that is so bad yet that they aren't telling us?

 

[Move2CLT]

Your three factions joining together to say no indicates nothing more than they are cowards. With a no recommendation, they put the blame on their constituents. That way, when they go back to the line, they can tell the one's that are bitching that they told them to vote "no."

East politics at its best.

 

[Move2CLT]

88,
Great question. This mou was a rush job by the Compass Corruption/Hummel leadership team. They put the NAC team together. They own this pos mou. Good luck to all of us.
Hate

Let's see here:

Pay parity with DAL/UAL in three years

or

still on LOA 93 three years later....

...ya, good luck to you all.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

The BPR has recommended how you should vote... And for all I know you don't like it that they recommended how you should vote...

SInce you brought up "Red Flags" did you notice that all three factions of the BPR actually joined in unison... let me say that again... THREE FACTIONS of the BPR joined TOGETHER and recommended a NO vote. That to me is a red flag. What do they know about this MOU that is so bad yet that they aren't telling us?

OK, this is only recent history, let's not distort the truth.    In order for the BPR to even send it out, a deal with the devil was made at the table that if "certain individuals" voted to send it out, the rest would do so with a "NO recommendation."    So much for your "band of brothers." As to that great reference, anyone care to recount Wilder's talk to the BPR about taking action? Guess that was what eventually led to Crimi calling him a liar.    Greeter.

 

[Move2CLT]

Simple question.
If east contract CofC is being removed by this MOU, why would the 40 M be split by both sides? (I know the fleet mins change but new furlough and pay protections apply to both sides. The crown jewel however is being given by east contract only)

How did you put together that the $40M was a payment for CoC?

 

[88 B.T.D.]

How did you put together that the $40M was a payment for CoC?

I said it was the "crown jewel" of the giveaway inside the MOU. It's the part that makes the merger less expensive in Doug's words.

 

[eastcoast]

The BPR has recommended how you should vote... And for all I know you don't like it that they recommended how you should vote...

SInce you brought up "Red Flags" did you notice that all three factions of the BPR actually joined in unison... let me say that again... THREE FACTIONS of the BPR joined TOGETHER and recommended a NO vote. That to me is a red flag. What do they know about this MOU that is so bad yet that they aren't telling us?

Recommending a no vote is a far cry from TELLING me what to do based on FUD. I'm surprised you don't know the difference. I'm also surprised you don't understand the politics involved in their recommendation.

Vote your conscience. Just don't tell me or anyone else how to do the same.

 

[88 B.T.D.]

I was wondering when an Eastie would float the idea of stealing more than their share...you never disappoint.

As far as fair share goes the CofC was/is paid by LOA93.

 

[Phoenix]

OK, this is only recent history, let's not distort the truth.    In order for the BPR to even send it out, a deal with the devil was made at the table that if "certain individuals" voted to send it out, the rest would do so with a "NO recommendation."    So much for your "band of brothers." As to that great reference, anyone care to recount Wilder's talk to the BPR about taking action? Guess that was what eventually led to Crimi calling him a liar.    Greeter.

All three factions voted to send it out with a "no" recommendation. Do you dispute that? Are you trying to suggest that they don't really mean "No" but are sending you smoke signals to really vote "yes"?

 

[nic4us]

As far as fair share goes the CofC was/is paid by LOA93.

I dont't think there is actually stipulation on how the 40 million gets paid out..or who it is paid to....i.e. does it go to usapa or each pilot on the seniority list.

bottom line with the 40 million is it is contrasted to the $120 million the APA gets for their pension...it is...well if you are paying the APA 120 mil, what are you willing to pay us....it is not...what is COC worth to you..or what is STD worth to you..or what is PBS worth to you etc...

If it gets paid to usapa to determine how to divide it up,,,well that would be stupid, all it would do then is end up in escrow for a few years if the east tries to steal that too.

 

[88 B.T.D.]

I dont't think there is actually stipulation on how the 40 million gets paid out..or who it is paid to....i.e. does it go to usapa or each pilot on the seniority list.

bottom line with the 40 million is it is contrasted to the $120 million the APA gets for their pension...it is...well if you are paying the APA 120 mil, what are you willing to pay us....it is not...what is COC worth to you..or what is STD worth to you..or what is PBS worth to you etc...

If it gets paid to usapa to determine how to divide it up,,,well that would be stupid, all it would do then is end up in escrow for a few years if the east tries to steal that too.

Thanks for the response. I think I read or heard that NAC asked for retirement contributions but co said no.

 

[nic4us]

As far as fair share goes the CofC was/is paid by LOA93.

I had to read this multiple times to try and figure out what you were saying...

What I am hearing you say is that COC is part of LOA93. A stipulation to the LOA93 paycuts that a COC would negate the paycuts and your former pay would be restored.

Well, in this deal are you asked to stay on the LOA93 payscales? The way I think I understand it is the answere is no, you go to the term sheet payrates at POR, which is a sizable increas, (and a much greater increase than the West would experience BTW) but you have to give up the COC snapback rate.