AUG/SEPT 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Claxon]

The increase is not coming either way.

The arguement will be that COC is not triggered because "control" was not changed. Same CEO..same president...all the same players still have jobs..and you get no snapback.

Nic4. Different company will be the survivor.American. Hence the COC. Unbelievable. Perfect example of why idiots will take the MOU.

 

[Claxon]

Your three factions joining together to say no indicates nothing more than they are cowards. With a no recommendation, they put the blame on their constituents. That way, when they go back to the line, they can tell the one's that are bitching that they told them to vote "no."

East politics at its best.

Management shill. The only western pilot stupid enough to vote yes has been Nic4. That is understandable.

 

[Move2CLT]

Management shill. The only western pilot stupid enough to vote yes has been Nic4. That is understandable.

No shill here my web board idiot. If you'd pull your head out of your ass, you'd see they're running for cover. Your reps know its going to pass once it gets out and by the hostility in the gallery, I'd say its true.

Your pilots made them send it out because they want to vote on it. They vote to vote on it because they want to vote yes.

Otherwise it would have never made it out of the BPR.

 

[Move2CLT]

Answer this: has any of your stupidly written deals with your management ever benefitted you as pilots? You agreed to LOA93 without having hard dates and expirations. Did Parker ever consider letting you off it or even pay parity? Never.
Now you morons are considering more time on low pay. I have never seen a stupider group, hopefully if you take it, they will take you to the cleaners again with tricky language. Happens time and time over. Hate to say it but nobody in the rest of the industry respects you or your leadership. The Franke group is laughing as we speak. It is like taking candy from babies.

As you are our village idiot, I'll make this as simple for you as possible. You can either remain on LOA 93 for the next two+ years and watch AA negotiate our work rules

or

you can see an increase in pay (your's being the bigger jump), parity with Delta/United in THREE years, a seat at the table, and a check for $10K.

I know it'll take at least a day for you to sound out all the words I just put up so I don't expect an answer anytime soon.

Good luck.

 

[Move2CLT]

For some it's fear-just fear, for some the fear that USAPA will screw it up

Self explanatory with example after example to back it up.

and for some the fear of what is behind door number 3 if we are on the outside looking in.

There is no "door number three". Its either LOA93 or the MOU. That's it.

For some it is the conclusion that what is being given up is less than what is gained,

What is being gained is a step toward a brand new contract in a few years. And when we go for that brand new contract as the top airline pilot group, we'll be able to write our own ticket.

and that was was given up in the past will not be recovered and giving up more won't help that.

Out NAC has stated that, other than a few little things, we are topped out. There's no more. And for you guys to walk away from the MOU because you want to be made completely whole is ridiculous. It isn't going to happen.

That we probably could and should get more

There is no more. The NAC, prof neg, lawyer all say we're done.

but think we have given up the power to make that happen.

Thanks Cleary.

For some it is the total lack of faith in USAPA leadership.

Self-expanatory and quite apparent as recall petitions were being circulated at the last BPR meeting.

They put their money on Scott and Doug.

That's where the money is.

 

[Beancounter]

Typical West double standard. The furloughed 40 paid ? But the East furloughs were too stupid to find other jobs and brought nothing to the table?

Y'all are a buch of 8 year olds.

Are you really that dumb, or just greedy? Those 40 weren't furloughed at the time of the merger, they had jobs. We've been hiring and those 40 would have jobs if the east hadn't hijacked the union to avoid the arbitration. How is that in any way related to US east prior to the AWA merger? If I grow up does that mean I lose my integrity and half my brain cells? No thanks.

Bean

 

[Beancounter]

As you are our village idiot, I'll make this as simple for you as possible. You can either remain on LOA 93 for the next two+ years and watch AA negotiate our work rules

or

you can see an increase in pay (your's being the bigger jump), parity with Delta/United in THREE years, a seat at the table, and a check for $10K.

I know it'll take at least a day for you to sound out all the words I just put up so I don't expect an answer anytime soon.

Good luck.

He's not the only moron on here vying for the title of village idiot. I'd say about 5 of the easties are in a tie.

Bean

 

[Claxon]

No shill here my web board idiot. If you'd pull your head out of your ass, you'd see they're running for cover. Your reps know its going to pass once it gets out and by the hostility in the gallery, I'd say its true.

Your pilots made them send it out because they want to vote on it. They vote to vote on it because they want to vote yes.

Otherwise it would have never made it out of the BPR.

I actually hope it passes. I want to see you and Beenie hit the streets first. That would be fitting for a couple of idiots who are clueless about scope. That 10k is mighty impressive when compared to what NWA/DAL got.

 

[Claxon]

Are you really that dumb, or just greedy? Those 40 weren't furloughed at the time of the merger, they had jobs. We've been hiring and those 40 would have jobs if the east hadn't hijacked the union to avoid the arbitration. How is that in any way related to US east prior to the AWA merger? If I grow up does that mean I lose my integrity and half my brain cells? No thanks.

Bean

Are they suing AOL who told them to stay out? That was a brilliant move going into an AA merge. They are done, toast now.

 

[Move2CLT]

I actually hope it passes. I want to see you and Beenie hit the streets first. That would be fitting for a couple of idiots who are clueless about scope. That 10k is mighty impressive when compared to what NWA/DAL got.

You haven't read any of it, have you. I should have expected that unless someone spelled the MOU out for you, you wouldn't bother reading it.

You're about as clueless as it gets. Only an idiot (there ya go) would stay on LOA 93 with this on the table.

There's nothing more out there boo boo. You were that guy that played chicken with the company during bankruptcy, right?

 

[nic4us]

Nic4. Different company will be the survivor.American. Hence the COC. Unbelievable. Perfect example of why idiots will take the MOU.

Was AAA the surivor in the last transaction when AWA bought them...nope....did it trigger COC...nope....

In this transaction will AMR be the suriving company....maybe if east gives up COC...apparently it is cheaper that way...but if they don't give up scope the players just go to Delaware and start the new corporation...it will be traded on the Nasdaq with the sybol FYCOC. F*** YourCOC.

Being a complete idiot must really start to take a toll.

The pilots at LCC are perfectly capable of determining for themselves whether this deal is acceptable. Now run along and pull the gear for a real Delta pilot.

 

[nic4us]

Are they suing AOL who told them to stay out? That was a brilliant move going into an AA merge. They are done, toast now.

I will lay odds right now that the company will put in writing that the 40 go into the future combined list according to their positions in the final SLI.

Which will end up being their Nic integration with APA.

 

[BLT]

I actually hope it passes. I want to see you and Beenie hit the streets first. That would be fitting for a couple of idiots who are clueless about scope. That 10k is mighty impressive when compared to what NWA/DAL got.

I'm with you Claxon. Lets burn the place down together. Vote no until there is nothing left to vote on! 10k? Thats chump change for Doogie. Lets demand a million $ for each pilot. We deserve it and we have the leverage. The company is so scared of us right now, they are willing to bribe us. COC must be worth billions of $. We've got these corporate scumbags right where we want them. Lead the way Claxon, I'm right behind you. We'll get everything we ever gave up. No more concessions until there is nothing left to concess! That will learn em good and tight! $126/hr until we get everything we've ever wanted plus 1%. Eat my Levi's Action Slacks (and black sneakers and old cracked belt with an ugly buckle) Doogie!

 

[luvn737s]

If you'd pull your head out of your XXX, you'd see they're running for cover. Your reps know its going to pass once it gets out and by the hostility in the gallery, I'd say its true.

Your pilots made them send it out because they want to vote on it. They vote to vote on it because they want to vote yes.

Otherwise it would have never made it out of the BPR.

The BPR also knows that if a JCBA had been released to the pilots they would have said "NIC who?" and voted YES!

 

[luvthe9]

Boy, I'm glad I'm not that young this this deal going to turn out bad, the boys are getting the matches and the gas ready. There is nothing to lose at our age maybe you guys you start calling some of the ancient scabs that worked for AWA and get some advice.