AUG/SEPT 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Move2CLT]

Wife: "What are you doing?"
Pilot (25 year commuting reserve group II C/O): " Voting on a stupid MOU, I'll show that Parker!"
Wife: "Did you get your 50K in back pay in the deal?"
Pilot: "No, the cheap ba….rds would not cough it up." "Voting NO."
Wife: "Is there a pay raise?"
Pilot: "Yeah, about 50K a year."
Wife: "sound of crickets."
Pilot : "sound of click" as he votes YES

Greeter

Another fine post.

 

[EastUS1]

At this point I think we're being had. Like I said, I'm open to more information, but at this point I'm not ready to just jump on this.

That's my take as well LS. Given the well established track record of what passes for management here, whenever dealing with labor groups, and couple that with the classic notion of the devil residing in the details....well....I'm unimpressed with this thus far, to say the least. Just the easy eagerness to concede min fleet and coc without so much as a whimper concerns me.

 

[BLT]

Who gives a crap what he or the industry thinks, we all vote how we feel and let the chips fall where they may. But this thingies a pig with little gain

This is a flat out no for me. I am finished giving at the office. Do Parker a favor and make him keep the scope. The Wisconsin /republic experiment has sucked the life out of this place. Parker can have his deal if he pays up for it. This deal comes nowhere near.

Parker likes to make the piggies fly. This deal only pays $50,000 (a little gain, only like 28%) dollars more every year with a $10,000 signing bonus. That sucks! I want more! I want more! Vote no so we can keep our COC. It will only cost each pilot about $200,000 (a little loss) during the 3 years it will take to get a JCBA without our input, and then after the merger is over the COC will surely have gained some interest and we can trade it for a billion $!!! It will be meaningless at that point, but the company is so stupid they will pay us anyways. I bet we'll get a fat retro check for the last 10 years with interest. We will be rich. Flat out no. We have the company by the balls on this one. Its about time! Winning!!!! When paid advisers tell you to do something, just do the opposite. It never fails. Flat out no!!!

 

[EastUS1]

Not only did we lose our pensions, but we are told that we will pay for the protection of the American pilot's pensions. There is loss of scope and protections, loss of the Change of Control provision and so much ambiguity in the MOU language that the NAC had to call Kirby during the BPR meeting to ask him for clarification on some items. I just bet he clarified it all right. All this for $10,000 that after taxes will be reduced to about $6,500. We sell ourselves cheap.

Nothing has changed here. The company studies the pilot group. Figures out the least amount of money they can pay us in spite of the industry averages.

They wanted scope, not because they just threw that in there, but so they can strip this airline of its planes and reassemble it as a much smaller airline with 190's for the smaller cities we will serve. History is a lesson we need to keep looking at. The promise of $170 an hour will not apply to the 190's. The protections of the larger airplanes will disappear like a puff of smoke. If those protections are somehow in there, we need clarification and a guarantee.

As for Change of Control, if they want this deal, cough up more money. There are Billions of dollars involved. The American pilots get their pensions. We get $6500 take home bonuses? Who is kidding who?

Well said.

 

[EastUS1]

Parker likes to make the piggies fly.

Indeed. He's done so for years for pennies on the dollar. The entire history of AWA was based on management doing exactly that. Post 9-11, the industry as a whole has done so. Perhaps, given the circumstances; it's time to at least re-examine that paradigm.

What's the urgent need for blindly diving into the first slight whiff of even the least bit of possible improvement?...especially without full examination of just what said short term "improvement" might well mean for the future?

 

[Res Judicata]

This is a flat out no for me. I am finished giving at the office. Do Parker a favor and make him keep the scope. The Wisconsin /republic experiment has sucked the life out of this place. Parker can have his deal if he pays up for it. This deal comes nowhere near.

So in your Fked up little demented world Parker is going to get this merger done only if HE makes YOU happy?

You guys are pathetic, miserable wastes of life. You live to suffer. IOW, you're out of your minds. Nothing new there.

 

[Res Judicata]

Indeed. He's done so for years for pennies on the dollar.

Only because brain damaged inbreds like yourself demanded it. I hope you've enjoyed your little pointless USCABA experiement, it's only cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars. I doubt it matters much to you however. Single, Angry, Hermits have little to lose.

 

[Res Judicata]

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[EastUS1]

....This was just a way of distracting both unions from the start. Typical Jerry Glass. You would think by now we would all recognize the pattern. What American and USAirways is doing is to further discontent within the unions. Fear, Uncertainty, doubt, and hate.


Bob

Agreed.

 

[A320 Driver]

I have done my research. Don't blast me and label me uninformed. We just disagree. I personally called Dorio to get his take, plus talked to stein in dc. Bottom line , we already gave at the office, who cares if it's worse. Can't be much worse, I say grow some balls and stop living in fear from these mgmt clowns

Yeah, I'm sure you got an unbiased opinion from DiOrio. Why didn't you call Collelo? He is the NAC chairman. He is the one with first hand knowledge. No, you called the guy you knew would tell you what you wanted to hear...so you could continue your fight against the "mgmt clowns".

Lastly, if I ever "blast you", you'll damn sure know it. I was simply giving an explaination of my position. But that is not what you wanted to hear either. Whatever...

Driver...

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Wife: "What are you doing?"
Pilot (25 year commuting reserve group II C/O): " Voting on a stupid MOU, I'll show that Parker!"
Wife: "Did you get your 50K in back pay in the deal?"
Pilot: "No, the cheap ba….rds would not cough it up." "Voting NO."
Wife: "Is there a pay raise?"
Pilot: "Yeah, about 50K a year."
Wife: "sound of crickets."
Pilot : "sound of click" as he votes YES

Greeter

Here we are 8 Mos later! "Honey I just lost my position on the last bid, back on F/O pay because our codeshare partners took away our flying, That 50k was short lived,!

 

[luvn737s]

How do you ever get in an airplane if every decision is based on an extremely remote chance of disaster? Do you delay a flight because there is a chance that every checked bag is 20% heavier than allowed and you are facing a maximum performance takeoff ? No, you go based on the information that you have, not what you dream up. Yes, the most secure thing you can do is do nothing, but the US pilots are not being given that option.

We are moving forward and are facing two choices: 1. Move forward with certain meager protections and guarantees or 2. See how we fit into APA's survival plan as an appendix.

I agree that there's alot not to like in this MOU, and we will have to face the issues containined in it in subsequent contracts, and that will not be easy. It will take unity and maturity and pretending we have and should choose the option of staying where we are displays neither.

 

[A320 Driver]

Here we are 8 Mos later! "Honey I just lost my position on the last bid, back on F/O pay because our codeshare partners took away our flying, That 50k was short lived,!

Or you could tell her what's in the MOU: "Honey I lost my position on the last bid, but I'm pay protected until I can hold it again." You can also tell her "If we lose time, the AA side loses at least twice that much...wonder who is going to fly all the A320s, 737s, 787s, 777s and 330s we have on order?"

Driver...

 

[Claxon]

Wife: "What are you doing?"
Pilot (25 year commuting reserve group II C/O): " Voting on a stupid MOU, I'll show that Parker!"
Wife: "Did you get your 50K in back pay in the deal?"
Pilot: "No, the cheap ba….rds would not cough it up." "Voting NO."
Wife: "Is there a pay raise?"
Pilot: "Yeah, about 50K a year."
Wife: "sound of crickets."
Pilot : "sound of click" as he votes YES

Greeter

Doug and his wife, looking over his compensation package and stock options.." Honey, you do know that if you don't pull off this merger it will be your sixth failure......." crickets....... " I know honey, looks like I miscalculated again..... Bedford has offered me a number two spot at Republic. Seems the long term contracts are not going to be renewed, and nobody is interested in the E 175 lift as oil is at 130 again. After I didn't hedge this time and it spiked, as well as the fact I miscalculated AGAIN in a merger, we might be packing for Indy............" sound of crickets...........

 

[Piedmont1984]

The mandate for the NAC in securing this MOU should have been very specific and narrow in scope (no pun intended). Why were other sections of the contract even discussed and entertained by the committee? Those areas should have been non-starters. The NAC should have been tasked to improve our position ONLY and broader contract negotiations left for another day.

Compass Correction is urging patience and a no vote. Yet the leadership team they endorse urges us, I presume, to vote yes.

The leadership and the BPR need to get on the same page and present a united front on this issue, for the sake of the membership.

Better yet, Gary Hummel should postpone the vote until such time that the company can be re-engaged, MOU provisions clarified and/or modified.

He has the authority and responsibility to prevent this from being a rush job.

I urge him to do so.

KV