AUG/SEPT 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Walmartgreeter]

PI1984 said:
"Better yet, Gary Hummel should postpone the vote until such time that the company can be re-engaged, MOU provisions clarified and/or modified.

He has the authority and responsibility to prevent this from being a rush job.

I urge him to do so.

KV"

Better yet, read your CBL. "Gary" did not send this out. Your BPR did. Call your reps, have them hold a special meeting and retract the vote. That is their option, not the President. Good luck with that.

As to a "rush" job, that is exactly what this is, no question. Your entire NAC, Pro Neg, General Counsel, and Merger Counsel all have told you exactly that.

The APA is not your friend, and they have carefully crafted a termsheet with Parker that destroys our airline. Your BPR decided we needed some protections, and the NAC did their level best to bring them back to the BPR. Delay only increases the chance there will be no mitigation of the termsheet, and we might find ourselves even (more) behind the eight ball.

Greeter

 

[luvn737s]

Doug and his wife, looking over his compensation package and stock options.." Honey, you do know that if you don't pull off this merger it will be your sixth failure......."

HA HA, there is no one who is looking to fire Doug Parker. There is no one on the horizon who brings any more success in the airline business for the board to choose. Do you think a revolving door of management who comes to take their millions and walk away would make this a better, more secure career? I didn't work at Braniff, Kiwi or PanAm and it almost scuttled Continental.

Do you hate Parker, or do you hate what your chosen career has become, in part due to petty in-fighting stoked by groups vying for influence and power?

 

[Piedmont1984]

greeter

If you wish to endorse and vote yes on a document which memorializes the 'destruction of our airline' then that is your prerogative. If you wish to do so in the artificially compressed time frame contrived by the company then that also is your prerogative.

Behind the scenes, face to face, using phone calls and messages, networking and in closed meeting sessions - the union president has considerable influence and much is accomplished (or neglected) without strict adherence the C&BL's.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

greeter

If you wish to endorse and vote yes on a document which memorializes the 'destruction of our airline' then that is your prerogative. If you wish to do so in the artificially compressed time frame contrived by the company then that also is your prerogative.

Behind the scenes, face to face, using phone calls and messages, networking and in closed meeting sessions - the union president has considerable influence and much is accomplished (or neglected) without strict adherence the C&BL's.

So you really don't understand the CBL? It is not the President's job to subvert the will of the BPR as you say. Really? Your reps made a decision. You are voting. Call them, I am sure they do not listen to you on this venue.Greeter

 

[Piedmont1984]

So you really don't understand the CBL? It is not the President's job to subvert the will of the BPR as you say. Really? Your reps made a decsion. You are voting. Call them, I am sure they do not listen to you on this venue.Greeter

One more thing. You do realize, I assume, that the MOU binds us to the APA Term Sheet, except for the specific provisions of the MOU. It stipulates as much in Section 2. So in addition to properly educating the membership on the MOU by way of road shows, Q&A documents etc, what time have we been afforded to properly study and understand the Term Sheet which we will be living under?

BTW, I did not advocate subverting the will of the BPR. I was describing the real world internal machinations which exist in our highly dysfunctional union.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

PI 1984: "One more thing. You do realize, I assume, that the MOU binds us to the APA Term Sheet, except for the specific provisions of the MOU. It stipulates as much in Section 2. So in addition to properly educating the membership on the MOU by way of road shows, Q&A documents etc, what time have we been afforded to properly study and understand the Term Sheet which we will be living under?

BTW, I did not advocate subverting the will of the BPR. I was describing the real world internal machinations which exist in our highly dysfunctional union. "

It is worse. The Termsheet will eventually bind us to yet another document we had no part in, the APA Green Book.

I will call Wall Street, the Hedge fund guys, the Creditors, Parker, and Horton and tell them you need a little more time.

And that is exactly what you did. Real work internal machinations which exist today in our highlly diysfunctional union. Give me a break.

Greeter

 

[Piedmont1984]

And that is exactly what you did. Real work internal machinations which exist today in our highlly diysfunctional union. Give me a break.

Greeter

What - you really think it is otherwise - all strict protocal, decorum, mutual respect and selfless objectivity?

We ARE talking about USAPA right?

 

[EastCheats]

So how do you see USAPA influencing the discussion which would result in a significantly better deal? Or do you see no downside to a NO vote?

I know one thing about this vote, if USAPA is the driver, I'm not climbing on board.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Or you could tell her what's in the MOU: "Honey I lost my position on the last bid, but I'm pay protected until I can hold it again." You can also tell her "If we lose time, the AA side loses at least twice that much...wonder who is going to fly all the A320s, 737s, 787s, 777s and 330s we have on order?"

Driver...

Really ? Enjoy your 5hr commute, or better yet never heard where they call a merger, "EXPANSION" I believe the word is "CONTRACTION"!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

greeter

If you wish to endorse and vote yes on a document which memorializes the 'destruction of our airline' then that is your prerogative. If you wish to do so in the artificially compressed time frame contrived by the company then that also is your prerogative.

Behind the scenes, face to face, using phone calls and messages, networking and in closed meeting sessions - the union president has considerable influence and much is accomplished (or neglected) without strict adherence the C&BL's.

POST OF THE DAY! MM!

 

[A320 Driver]

What - you really think it is otherwise - all strict protocal, decorum, mutual respect and selfless objectivity?

We ARE talking about USAPA right?

With or without the MOU, we will be working under the AA Green Book if this merger takes place. It is not a matter of if, it is a matter of when.

Driver...

 

[A320 Driver]

Really ? Enjoy your 5hr commute, or better yet never heard where they call a merger, "EXPANSION" I believe the word is "CONTRACTION"!

Commuting is a fact of life in the airline business. Nothing new here. As far as contraction goes, the key ingredient that makes this merger work is market share. You CANNOT have that and shrink the airline.

Driver...

 

[Piedmont1984]

Commuting is a fact of life in the airline business. Nothing new here. As far as contraction goes, the key ingredient that makes this merger work is market share. You CANNOT have that and shrink the airline.

Driver...

I agree, market share is central to the rationale behind this merger, which begs the question - why is management asking for the easy means with which to reduce market share?

 

[Phoenix]

Commuting is a fact of life in the airline business. Nothing new here. As far as contraction goes, the key ingredient that makes this merger work is market share. You CANNOT have that and shrink the airline.

Driver...

Ok, fine. DUI has to keep the same number of seats or more. How come he wants us to allow nearly unlimited code share, wants us to alow 15-20% reductions every year, and only provides furlough protection for less than 2 years?

Does he plan to grow exPress and code share, like he has in the past?

Yes he can shrink us and increase market share. And that would help him make a billion$ every year.

 

[Phoenix]

I agree, market share is central to the rationale behind this merger, which begs the question - why is management asking for the easy means with which to reduce market share?

USAir, the new AA Eagle.