AUG/SEPT 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[HPearlyretiree]

If that were a true statement why can't usapa get any action from the mediation board? If it is the companys fault as you said ALWAYS she has the ability to do something about it.

Why is it we are parked instead of released if it is ALWAYS the company fault?

Could it be that as long a usapa refuses to use the arbitrated list we are not going to get a contract? Is it the companies fault that usapa refuses to use the Nicolau list?

What part of Binding Arbitration does the east not understand? The binding part, or the arbitration part?

Same as it ever was...

 

[luvthe9]

I know what you tell me. But I have no reason to believe you. Your credibility is zero.


Unless you care to out yourself and post your real name I just have no reason to believe what you say.

I guess the concept of living up to your agreements you just don't get.

Clear, it makes no difference if you believe me or not, but it is a fact.

 

[luvthe9]

One more thing. To their credit, the CLT reps didn't lose their cool. I thought they carried themselves well in spite of the fact that many in attendance disagreed with them.

Fair is fair.

Driver...

I would not say many it was more like some.

 

[luvthe9]

Does the MOU kick in tomorrow? So chicken little how is that the beginning of a smaller airline?

Are the east pilots really this susceptible to fear tactics or just you?

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No it does not kick in but it could be the START of something bad here, and yes I'm afraid, see you scummers that worked for Franke Air never had it good I know you must realize that we did here, narrow body top pay 224/hr was nice. So to go down to 124, and have Mowery bring us LOA93 and then Pollock give away my pension in the middle of the night without a vote well you get the picture, I hope you can understand why I am apprehensive.

 

[traderjake]

No it does not kick in but it could be the START of something bad here, and yes I'm afraid, see you scummers that worked for Franke Air never had it good I know you must realize that we did here, narrow body top pay 224/hr was nice.

Still living in the past....... if we just could bring back the DC 9 and reopen the PIT hub all would be right with the world.

 

[BoeingBoy]

I hope you can understand why I am apprehensive.

Just be sure to get your mom to check under your bed...there might be a dust bunny waiting to attack...

Jim

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Still living in the past....... if we just could bring back the DC 9 and reopen the PIT hub all would be right with the world.

Hell, if I could fly the -200 to Wichita again all would be good. I can't fly over it these days without wondering what in the world went wrong.

 

[A320 Driver]

I would not say many it was more like some.

Yes, I'm sure you would say that...

Driver...

 

[A320 Driver]

No it does not kick in but it could be the START of something bad here

Or a seat at the table that gives us some control of our futures.

So to go down to 124, and have Mowery bring us LOA93

Courtesy of the 5 reps of the northern bases that rolled called against sending out what our lawyers and advisors TOLD us was the best deal we were going to see. It was FAR superior to LOA93.

Pollock give away my pension in the middle of the night without a vote.

Whether you believe it or not, you lost your pension when Davis and company refused to heed the advice of the negotiating committee to freeze the retirement BEFORE the company declared it underfunded and ERISA kicked in. It was game over at that point. Mission accomplished though, Davis got his lump sum. I do agree with your point that we should have gotten a vote...whether it made any difference or not.

You know, we could debate all night about what "could" happen. What could really happen is what Kirby talked about at the last PHX crew news. They shove this whole thing down our throat because 9000 AA pilots made their own deal and we, through short sightedness, sat on the sidelines when the opportunity to be part of something passed us by.

Driver...

 

[Phoenix]

Or a seat at the table that gives us some control of our futures.

Courtesy of the 5 reps of the northern bases that rolled called against sending out what our lawyers and advisors TOLD us was the best deal we were going to see. It was FAR superior to LOA93.

Whether you believe it or not, you lost your pension when Davis and company refused to heed the advice of the negotiating committee to freeze the retirement BEFORE the company declared it underfunded and ERISA kicked in. It was game over at that point. Mission accomplished though, Davis got his lump sum. I do agree with your point that we should have gotten a vote...whether it made any difference or not.

You know, we could debate all night about what "could" happen. What could really happen is what Kirby talked about at the last PHX crew news. They shove this whole thing down our throat because 9000 AA pilots made their own deal and we, through short sightedness, sat on the sidelines when the opportunity to be part of something passed us by.

Driver...

No. You have LOA 93 because the pilots said "yes" instead of "no". Your pension was given away because 13 punks said "yes" for the pilots instead of "no". The company said, "give" and the pilots said "yes".

If YOU say "yes" or advocate your reps say "yes" then YOU know who is to blame.

 

[Phoenix]

Still living in the past....... if we just could bring back the DC 9 and reopen the PIT hub all would be right with the world.

Actually age 60 would fix everything, even the Nic. And every pilot over 60 could fix it.

 

[prechilill]

If YOU say "yes" or advocate your reps say "yes" then YOU know who is to blame.

ALPA? (Standard USAPian answer)

 

[flyer63]

It's hard to negotiate when the company knows one half of the pilots do not support the Roll Call BPR.

Good luck mounting a credible strike threat with that.

I thought roll call votes went away with ALPA.

Also there will never be a strike the east is not stupid, many former EAL here. If we walked mgmt would downsize phx and bring west pilots east to happily fly our routes. Perfect opportunity for mgmt. no thanks

 

[Pi brat]

I thought roll call votes went away with ALPA.

Also there will never be a strike the east is not stupid, many former EAL here. If we walked mgmt would downsize phx and bring west pilots east to happily fly our routes. Perfect opportunity for mgmt. no thanks

I'm no expert on the C&BLs, but I think this is the roll call provision:


B. Division of the house shall be permitted only for votes taken to approve or reject any tentative agreements affecting income, work rule change(s), and/or benefit(s); setting parameters for collective bargaining; agreements on affiliation or merger with another labor organization; agreements arising from a merger of, or successor transactions involving the employer, or its parent

(including seniority integration agreements); and amendments to the Constitution and Bylaws. On a Division of the house vote, each member of the Board shall be entitled to vote equal percentages of the active members in good standing at his domicile provided that:
1. For domiciles having one-hundred (100) or less members, the representative shall be entitled to one (1) vote for each active member in good standing at his domicile, and
2. For domiciles having one-hundred one (101) or more members, each representative shall be entitled to vote equal percentages of active members in good standing at the domicile.
3. Fractional votes will be counted in pro-rata “Division of the House” voting (above.)
4. All other issues will be determined by a senatorial (each person allowed one) vote of the BPR. The result of such vote shall determine the final disposition of the matter.

 

[Pi brat]

No. You have LOA 93 because the pilots said "yes" instead of "no". Your pension was given away because 13 punks said "yes" for the pilots instead of "no". The company said, "give" and the pilots said "yes".

If YOU say "yes" or advocate your reps say "yes" then YOU know who is to blame.

Well, we don't know what would have happened if the pilots had said no, but we do know that by having one rep keep us from voting we ended up with worse than the previous offers.