AUG/SEPT 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[A320 Driver]

The sense of urgency to vote thus far was on the pretext that a NDA was looming. Management decided to pull the trigger on that before the very first educational road show was even scheduled. That was their doing. Maybe they have changed their mind about an MOU.

We should not rush, a delay is not a rejection. The company has placed us in the yellow.

I think the trigger was pulled when the negotiatons for the NDA were complete. According to Parker, they have been ongoing for a while.

Driver

 

[luvthe9]

Walmartgreeter. You obviously had a hand in getting Hummel in. You really opened Pandoas Box with this deal. Did you have a hand in the LOA 93 deal? Sounds very similar. Sounds just like the last ALPA rush job.

King thought he had a clue, go figure!!!!!

 

[luvthe9]

Nosumapon,

It's a shame you're so ignorant, but I guess it's to be expected from 9-piece's doppleganger. All you know to say is "The sky's falling" ...

Jim

Wow, you really need to get a life. Maybe try some volunteer work or something.

 

[luvn737s]

We should not rush, a delay is not a rejection.

That is the gamble. If you're right, the BPR should come out and say so. They should recommend their work, not their dysfunction.

If you are wrong, the pilots of US will be hosed. This was one last gasp of charity from Parker (who hoped to get a little concensual relief on the minor sticking points of scope and CoC) before they are in APA's hands. The APA knows that the combined airline cannot endure an extended period of labor uncertainty. It will need a deep influx of new cash as well as uninterrupted cash flow during the first year or two. And it has chosen to support Parker because he has put forward a plan that meets their goals (independent of the US pilot's needs). Where any provision of the US east or west contract jeopardizes (or even diminishes in the least) the APA's goals, it will be thrown in the shredder. East and west animosity will be used against us.

So unity and resolve in the US pilot group are primary. The BPR has never shown the slightest committment to that. Fear of the unknown cannot be the foundation of our decision making, but the BPR has worn out the boogieman to the point that the pilots aren't buying it.

Finally, the BPR would like you to believe that they want to produce the best MOU they can , and that will take some undeterminate amount of time, and they really don't know how it will look substantially different AND they aren't sure if and when Parker would be willing to resume negotiations on an MOU since the professional negotiators aren't really representing the pilots, so talking with them is a waste of time.

In short, USAPA has never negotiated in good faith and Parker has better things to do than play games with them. The NMB apparently agrees with this assessment as well.

So, the pilots really don't need more time. The vote of NO CONFIDENCE in the BPR should proceed by allowing the pilots to vote. The road shows will obviously be slanted and a waste of time as well. Listen to the most level-headed non-politically motivated parties - the Professional Negotiating Team, and Vote YES.

 

[luvn737s]

Driver

A delay would work both ways, giving the NAC and proponents of the MOU time to better educate the rank and file. Many are inclined to vote no simply because they feel rushed.

They had no problem rushing into voting in USAPA. They had no problem with Cleary's unilateral rushing to file bogus lawsuits. Rushing seems to be OK with the east pilots, except for rushing to put out a JCBA with DOH because then the courts would step in and put an end to their juggernaut. That has to drag out for 7 years and cost every pilot hundreds of thousdands in pay and benefits.

I want the money now and want more money later. That's the only reason I come to work. This starts the ball rolling to better furture contracts. The Status Quo sucks. That's the reason I'll vote Yes.

 

[Move2CLT]

Wow, you really need to get a life. Maybe try some volunteer work or something.

Said luv.

 

[Move2CLT]

You understand what is coming. You can kiss all your 767-200 and a330 orders goodbye. The 330 s will be converted to 321 s and the 767 s gone. Then you will get to absorb every md80 retirement with an airbus delivery. Compass Elwood Menear will lose his wide body throne. There is nothing good coming if you vote yes.

And voting no does what you moron?

You think a no vote will put a damper on any of this?

 

[Missfit]

So....whats with this "rumour" of Parker pulling the MOU?

 

[EastCheats]

I truly have no revenge motives against any westie bretheren regardless of my opinion of current / past perceived wrongdoings. I find it much more relaxing and hopefully my post reflect such. May I humbly suggest same for yourself?
FA

We have former East who came West. I have friends who are "Easties" I flew with years ago. I gladly put the gloves on in our boxing club. I do have one individual who I'd like take behind the woodshed for sticking her nose in pilot business to stir the pot. Gloves off.

 

[Move2CLT]

So....whats with this "rumour" of Parker pulling the MOU?

You're a bit late to the show boo boo.

 

[Piedmont1984]

That is the gamble. If you're right, the BPR should come out and say so. They should recommend their work, not their dysfunction.

I agree.

If you are wrong, the pilots of US will be hosed. This was one last gasp of charity from Parker (who hoped to get a little concensual relief on the minor sticking points of scope and CoC) before they are in APA's hands. The APA knows that the combined airline cannot endure an extended period of labor uncertainty. It will need a deep influx of new cash as well as uninterrupted cash flow during the first year or two. And it has chosen to support Parker because he has put forward a plan that meets their goals (independent of the US pilot's needs). Where any provision of the US east or west contract jeopardizes (or even diminishes in the least) the APA's goals, it will be thrown in the shredder. East and west animosity will be used against us.

Charity - from Parker - Shirley you must be kidding 🙂 If Parker wants to avoid labor uncertainty, why even bring up what are 'minor sticking points' for him, but which are obviously major sticking points for the pilots. I don't think there would have been much resistance to the MOU if the min fleet and CoC language was simply omitted. The MOU should have been very narrow in scope - pay parity on day 1 and perhaps one or two other items. The company expanded well beyond that and the NAC seems to have entertained the company's attempts to open other unrelated sections of our contract.

 

[Missfit]

We have former East who came West. I have friends who are "Easties" I flew with years ago. I gladly put the gloves on in our boxing club. I do have one individual who I'd like take behind the woodshed for sticking her nose in pilot business to stir the pot. Gloves off.

If you're refering to me. I'd be happy to dance with you. But in the future be careful with your words I'm sure threatening behaviour isn't tolerated on this board.
I asked a question because I've heard it from no less than 5 people already this morning. Just looking for a little more confirmation and since you're all so "in touch" with everyone and everything I thought maybe one of you could expand on the rumour.

 

[Missfit]

You're a bit late to the show boo boo.

Aww I missed you Move. You in CLT yet?

 

[EastCheats]

If you're refering to me. I'd be happy to dance with you. But in the future be careful with your words I'm sure threatening behaviour isn't tolerated on this board.

That depends.

Do you have multiple screen names?

It's not your business what is tolerated on this board. Comprende?

 

[Missfit]

That depends.

Do you have multiple screen names?

It's not your business what is tolerated on this board. Comprende?

Aww you're so cute. You boys...when you get angry...adorable!

Do I have multiple screen names? Naaaa, too much work.

Do you have multiple screen names? I'm under the impression a few of you on here do.

Not my business. Right roger that...Back to the kitchen with me.

Still waiting for an answer to my question. Did Doug pull the MOU or not? Like I said before you are the guys that know everything that's going on...the pulse of the airline so to speak.