Bush Won, America Got It Right Again!

[NWA/AMT]

As I had stated before, just because a person is a liberal doesn't mean they never served their country, e.g. George McGovern, Jimmy Carter, John F. Kennedy.

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I hate to point this out, but just because someone is a Democrat does not mean they are a liberal. Once upon a time the three schools of political thought, conservative, moderate and liberal existed in both parties, and I think those at the extremes of either party would be very happy if everyone forgot that. Even within one person there can be two schools of thought; George W. Bush, for instance, is obviously a social conservative, but between the tax cuts and increase in discretionary spending has appeared to be an economic liberal. He started from a conservative view on foreign policy, "nation building" as he termed it, but has become, like many of the neoconservatives in his administration always were, (Paul Wolfowitz, for instance), very liberal on the subject. These aren't slams at Bush, but merely an attempt to demonstrate that things aren't nearly as well defined as many think. Kennedy, for instance, was socially liberal, economically moderate and foreign policy conservative. Eisenhower was conservative across the board.

Liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican has nothing to do with serving your country. When I joined the Marines, and for most of my career there, I was a moderate Republican, but I served with people who covered the entire political spectrum, even a few who thought they were Communists. I never saw politics stop anyone from doing their duty and I think it's unfortunate that the services are becoming so political now.

However, Kerry is the one who showcased his Vietnam service and that's why Swiftboat vets came into being.

He did so because he felt it was an asset, just as the Republicans thought Clinton's failure to serve was an asset to them in '92 and '96. As for the Swift Boat vets, I would put much more stock in their opinions if their funding wasn't coming from political sources and many of them weren't contradicting earlier statements that they had made. A 527 group made up of vets is still a 527 group.

But IMHO, it was a tactical blunder because he didn't count on the sh*tstorm of criticism from the many Vietnam vets who were enraged at his anti-war activities.

Yet I knew quite a few, even some among those who criticize him now, who cheered his actions at the time.

Do you think there's some "vast right wing conspiracy" which brainwashed those Swiftboat vets, many of whom are Democrats and Independents, into devoting so much time and energy to campaign against Kerry?

A 527 group made up of vets is still a 527 group. I know of many ex-POWs, John McCain for instance, who have made it clear they bear Kerry no ill will for the statements he made. I would think anyone who has sworn to defend free speech would recognize it when they saw it, even if they don't agree with it.

You might think the Bush supporters (or Republicans in general) are dumbass rednecks who can't read or write, but they can read well enough to pull the lever or push the button for the Republicans every Election Day.

I think you've got me confused with someone else, as I have never said, or even implied, anything of the sort. I think that sort of generalization, as well as those which identify the Democrats with the more liberal members of their party, are one of the reasons the country is so polarized now.

So continue to be intellectual snobs who look down your nose at Republicans and you'll continue to have your head handed to you year after year. Now who's dumb?

Judging by this statement, and by the title of this thread, it's obvious you have a lot of animosity for those who disagree with you and I feel sorry for you, because there will always be people who disagree with you. If it helps you to think of them as elitist snobs who 'just don't get it', then I guess that's what you should do, but you might be answering your own question.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Thank God Bush won, I wouldn't vote for Kerry because I really don't want some dipshit celeb like Streisand or Affleck or Dreyfuss, who do not live in any semblance of the real world telling me who to vote for!

Its time for the 60's flower children hippies to give it up, they lost, they continue to lose, no one wants to set the policy of the nation on the blather of some lost hippie.

As for the airline industry, there will always be airlines, but they may not always look like they do now, if its not enough money for you, get another job.

 

[AgMedallion]

Judging by this statement, and by the title of this thread, it's obvious you have a lot of animosity for those who disagree with you and I feel sorry for you, because there will always be people who disagree with you. If it helps you to think of them as elitist snobs who 'just don't get it', then I guess that's what you should do, but you might be answering your own question.

I don't think of the 56 million who voted for Kerry as elitist snobs. But the Maureen Dowds, Paul Krugmans, Michael Moores, Dan Rathers, and Bill Moyers of the world are most definitely elitist snobs who don't think their sh*t stinks. I have about as little in common with a redneck as you could imagine, yet in their eyes, that's what I am. The fool in this thread who called Bush a "retard" (I hope for his sake he never uses that word around someone who has a kid with Down Syndrome) and a tyrant, is incredibly out of touch with reality. When I see what the Democratic Party has come to, toasting the likes of Michael Moore, and expressing approval (or not condemning) what Bonior and McDermott did before the war, I figure JFK, Truman and FDR must be turning over in their graves. Btw, it's only people like Bonior, McDermott and Michael Moore who I have "a lot of animosity" for because they're contemptible individuals based on their writings and/or actions, not because they disagree with me. I can see why folks like Zell Miller did what they did. If the Republicans idolized the author of the Turner Diaries, which IMHO is the extreme right wings' equivalent of Farenheit 911, I would never vote for a Republican again. But that would never happen.

 

[MiAAmi]

notice the 'gay marriage' thingy got a resounding down vote everywhere it was sent...duh...god has spoken.......... :down:

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More like the Christian Taliban has spoken.. My god is not a bigot.

 

[greasemonkey-seeking-nirvana]

Fast train to Facism, WOOOOO, WOOOOOO, ALL ABOOOOORD!!!!!


http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

 

[firstamendment]

notice the 'gay marriage' thingy got a resounding down vote everywhere it was sent...duh...god has spoken.......... :down:

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You protest too much on the gay thing. You and Jerry Falwell should have an orgy together because both of you are obsessed with it and the guys that I know that are straight could care less about the gay thing are comfortable with their sexuality...something you obviously are not.
One thing I will promise you..If you have any children, one of them WILL be gay...then God will be speaking to you about acceptance and love.

And please, your preachiness, Bible thumping, you're burn in hell crap won't work here cause I DO NOT believe in that SH##!! So quote all your bible crap all you want and btw, your pic looks alittle too gay. You might wanna butch it up a bit.

 

[firstamendment]

Thank God Bush won, I wouldn't vote for Kerry because I really don't want some dipshit celeb like Streisand or Affleck or Dreyfuss, who do not live in any semblance of the real world telling me who to vote for!

Its time for the 60's flower children hippies to give it up, they lost, they continue to lose, no one wants to set the policy of the nation on the blather of some lost hippie.

As for the airline industry, there will always be airlines, but they may not always look like they do now, if its not enough money for you, get another job.

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You heard it kids, right here on the "INTERNETS". :unsure:

 

[KCFlyer]

I don't think of the 56 million who voted for Kerry as elitist snobs. But the Maureen Dowds, Paul Krugmans, Michael Moores, Dan Rathers, and Bill Moyers of the world are most definitely elitist snobs who don't think their sh*t stinks.

Nor do I think that the Rush Limbaughs, Sean Hannity's, Micheal Savages, Bill O'Reillys represent many of the Bush voters, but those folks also think that their fecal material is odorless.

I have about as little in common with a redneck as you could imagine, yet in their eyes, that's what I am.

I have little in common with baby killing, gay marrying heathens that the left is portrayed to be, but that is what you think I am.

If the Republicans idolized the author of the Turner Diaries, which IMHO is the extreme right wings' equivalent of Farenheit 911, I would never vote for a Republican again. But that would never happen.

What about the writings of Ann Coulter?

 

[Fly]

The 14 Characteristics of Facism

In Spring 2003, political scientist Dr. Lawrence Britt wrote an article about fascism ("Fascism Anyone?," Free Inquiry, Spring 2003, page 20).

Studying the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile), Dr. Britt found they all had 14 elements in common. He calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism. The excerpt is in accordance with the magazine's policy.

The 14 characteristics are:

Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottoes, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .

Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRI411A.html

 

[firstamendment]

Oh now FLY, you know "you just don't get it" 😛


The preceding statement was known as sarcasm...thank you.

 

[firstamendment]

I have little in common with baby killing, gay marrying heathens that the left is portrayed to be, but that is what you think I am.


KC, that's heathern...that's the way my dad says it, so in this case please be politically correct. 😉

Gay Heathern and PROUD!!

 

[AgMedallion]

I have little in common with baby killing, gay marrying heathens that the left is portrayed to be, but that is what you think I am.
What about the writings of Ann Coulter?

I guess I must be a very atypical Bush voter. For one thing I prefer McCain, but he wasn't on the ballot. For another, I'm pro-abortion rights, pro-gun control and don't really feel too strongly about gay marriage (though I'd prefer the idea of allowing civil unions for them so they could get the rights they deserve, i.e. family health insurance policies, rights to visit their dying partner in a hospital, rights to inheritance, yada yada yada). I'm not at all religious. I'm middle class and benefitted from the Bush tax cuts, contrary to Dem lies.

But I suppose the main reason I voted for Bush is that, for the most part (esp for a politician), he says what he means and means what he says. He recognizes the terrorist threat for what it is, and doesn't see any "gray" area in it because there are no such areas. The Islamo-fascists are evil miserable SOBs not to be negotiated with, simply destroyed. He doesn't give a rat's rump about the so-called "reasons" for the terrorist's actions and doesn't have a September 10th mindset as even some liberals, like the actor Ron Silver or former NYC Mayor Koch, recognize in Kerry and other libs. Bush doesn't flip-flop on his views like Kerry who constantly changes his depending on which ways the political winds are blowing and what advice his political minders and spinmeisters, like Begala and Carville, are giving him. Lastly, I don't vote for folks who marched with Jane Fonda and trashed Vietnam Vets. I don't support a Democratic Party whose leaders attend the premiere of Farenheit 911 with Michael Moore and invite that jerk to attend their national convention, seated right next to Jimmy Carter. Moore is a guy who compared the terrorists lopping off heads in Iraq
(so-called "insurgents") to our Revolutionary War Minutemen, and the Dems apparently find no problem with that. Or with two of their Congressmen cheerleading for Saddam in Baghdad pre-invasion.

In regard to Ann Coulter, as I've said before, she is a miserable shrew with some kind of mental problem. But to put her in the same league as the nutcase bigots who wrote The Turner Diaries, is a real stretch to the point of being fantasy.

 

[KCFlyer]

I guess I must be a very atypical Bush voter. For one thing I prefer McCain, but he wasn't on the ballot. For another, I'm pro-abortion rights, pro-gun control and don't really feel too strongly about gay marriage (though I'd prefer the idea of allowing civil unions for them so they could get the rights they deserve, i.e. family health insurance policies, rights to visit their dying partner in a hospital, rights to inheritance, yada yada yada). I'm not at all religious. I'm middle class and benefitted from the Bush tax cuts, contrary to Dem lies.

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Oh, I'm solidly middle class myself. Technically I "benefited" from Bush tax cut myself, but in the grand scheme of things, it was barely noticable. In fact, given that we are involved in a war and our deficeit grows, I wouldn't miss my "benefit" at all...in fact, I'd look at it as buying a future for my kid instead of turning over a bankrupt country to her in 10 more years.

But 'straight talker' Bush was play God and gays pretty hard. Despite his "I'll do what I"ll do and damn those who think differently", I feel that we'll see another attack on our shores sooner rather than later. But Bush played the "safety" card pretty well too....those folks in Ashtabula Ohio, who are most likely not in the top ten list of terrorist targets, can feel confident that their vote for W has saved them from being blown to smithereens. Just as long as Bob and Jack can't "get married". Odd...most conservatives, when faced with the statement "there oughta be a law"...the hairs on the back of their neck stands up and they argue that there should be LESS government. But when facing voters who are afraid that God will strike us all dead if we let a Justice of the Peace say that Bob and Jack are now married...he's all for all but stating flat out "there oughta be a law against gay marriage."

Every one of those who voted for "moral values" got the wool pulled directly over their eyes....Bob and Jack didn't want Preacher Bill to have God recognize their union....they just wanted JP Smith to say "Y'all have the same rights as Jim and Sue who I just 'married'" Because THAT is what got your boy elected...Fear of two men (or women) having a judge tell them that they're entitled to the same rights as a hetero couple who just had their union legally "blessed". Can't have that....it's the "downfall of traditional marriage"...nevermind that the nation divorce rate of 50% pretty much was doing a pretty darn good job of providing a downfall. Bush prays...in the words of the SNL Church Lady - "Isn't that special". Know what? Kerry prayed too. But he didn't pray that gay people would be sent to the fires of Gehenna for their sins either. I don't think Bush prayed that either....but he sure "shot straight" with the "moral" Americans who do.

I know one Kansan who voted for Bush...a guy named Fred Phelps...a "good American" who does such fine things as standing outside the funeral of a gay person holding signs saying "God hates fags". And screamed at the family that there loved one will burn in Hell for being "a ###". RAther comforting to the family...a good "Christian" value, don't you think? But it was another vote for the Bushers "morality" vote.

 

[whlinder]

I guess I must be a very atypical Bush voter. For one thing I prefer McCain, but he wasn't on the ballot. For another, I'm pro-abortion rights, pro-gun control and don't really feel too strongly about gay marriage (though I'd prefer the idea of allowing civil unions for them so they could get the rights they deserve, i.e. family health insurance policies, rights to visit their dying partner in a hospital, rights to inheritance, yada yada yada). I'm not at all religious. I'm middle class and benefitted from the Bush tax cuts, contrary to Dem lies.

I fit the above description pretty well too, though I am a little bit religious. I should be more religious than I am. I benefited from the tax cuts in that I got a little extra in my pocket on payday. However, I would rather not have a huge deficit and debt building up in the country. And I voted for Kerry. If it were McCain vs. Kerry I probably would have picked McCain.

But I suppose the main reason I voted for Bush is that, for the most part (esp for a politician), he says what he means and means what he says. He recognizes the terrorist threat for what it is, and doesn't see any "gray" area in it because there are no such areas. The Islamo-fascists are evil miserable SOBs not to be negotiated with, simply destroyed. He doesn't give a rat's rump about the so-called "reasons" for the terrorist's actions and doesn't have a September 10th mindset as even some liberals, like the actor Ron Silver or former NYC Mayor Koch, recognize in Kerry and other libs. Bush doesn't flip-flop on his views like Kerry who constantly changes his depending on which ways the political winds are blowing and what advice his political minders and spinmeisters, like Begala and Carville, are giving him.

Bush might say what he means and mean what he says (when he pronounces it correctly) but he is also stubborn and hard headed, refusing to admit when he is wrong. Terrorists are certainly evil and must be destroyed, but I missed it when Iraq attacked us. Bush attacked the wrong country. Iran has nukes. Iraq had nothing. He is so hard headed that he said in one of the debates that he wished they had actually found WMD in Iraq. WTF? Wishing that a country has WMDs? Sorry, that is F'ed up. I'd like to see the cost-benefit analysis of invading Iraq before we attacked. Because I sure as hell cannot see the benefits outweighing the loss of American life and however many billion dollars it has cost us now.

Still, I hope that Bush will work towards fiscal responsibility, fixing social security and simplifying the tax code in his 2nd term. He might accomplish the last two items but somehow I doubt he'll do the first.

 

[firstamendment]

Oh, I'm solidly middle class myself. Technically I "benefited" from Bush tax cut myself, but in the grand scheme of things, it was barely noticable. In fact, given that we are involved in a war and our deficeit grows, I wouldn't miss my "benefit" at all...in fact, I'd look at it as buying a future for my kid instead of turning over a bankrupt country to her in 10 more years.

But 'straight talker' Bush was play God and gays pretty hard. Despite his "I'll do what I"ll do and damn those who think differently", I feel that we'll see another attack on our shores sooner rather than later. But Bush played the "safety" card pretty well too....those folks in Ashtabula Ohio, who are most likely not in the top ten list of terrorist targets, can feel confident that their vote for W has saved them from being blown to smithereens. Just as long as Bob and Jack can't "get married". Odd...most conservatives, when faced with the statement "there oughta be a law"...the hairs on the back of their neck stands up and they argue that there should be LESS government. But when facing voters who are afraid that God will strike us all dead if we let a Justice of the Peace say that Bob and Jack are now married...he's all for all but stating flat out "there oughta be a law against gay marriage."

Every one of those who voted for "moral values" got the wool pulled directly over their eyes....Bob and Jack didn't want Preacher Bill to have God recognize their union....they just wanted JP Smith to say "Y'all have the same rights as Jim and Sue who I just 'married'" Because THAT is what got your boy elected...Fear of two men (or women) having a judge tell them that they're entitled to the same rights as a hetero couple who just had their union legally "blessed". Can't have that....it's the "downfall of traditional marriage"...nevermind that the nation divorce rate of 50% pretty much was doing a pretty darn good job of providing a downfall. Bush prays...in the words of the SNL Church Lady - "Isn't that special". Know what? Kerry prayed too. But he didn't pray that gay people would be sent to the fires of Gehenna for their sins either. I don't think Bush prayed that either....but he sure "shot straight" with the "moral" Americans who do.

I know one Kansan who voted for Bush...a guy named Fred Phelps...a "good American" who does such fine things as standing outside the funeral of a gay person holding signs saying "God hates fags". And screamed at the family that there loved one will burn in Hell for being "a ###". RAther comforting to the family...a good "Christian" value, don't you think? But it was another vote for the Bushers "morality" vote.

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Wow KC,...wow...I couldn't had said it better!!!! THANK YOU!! Your post was the most right on I have read in a long time.