Did everyone leave?

[WeAAsles]

I know what he as well as you are always trying to do weez. Twist the words up in any way to try and make it look negative towards AMFA, so like I said, putting a stop to the false or misleading info about AMFA is all.

Well hopefully you can clear up my misleading the readers here (There are none) that AMFA only has 3800 represented members total whereas the TWU and IAM represent over 15,000 M&R at AA alone.

 

[WeAAsles]

I noticed my comments have been deleted.

Went and whined to the admins didn't you WeAAsles?


The reason WeAAsles is so offended by this is because HE is the dead weight being carried.

I’m sure this will get deleted but maybe I’ll get lucky and you’ll see it first so I can take up even more space in your head.

 

[swamt]

The first time or the second time they had the noose ready for his neck? You are living in a fantasy world thinking AMFA is transparent, democratic or politically active. You really are.

You obviously don't know about the final outcome. You may think twice about posting anything not true towards this individual, he has taken action towards others that have and won.

 

[JimmyBop]

I do know the final outcome...and what they did to him was atrocious and uncalled for. Good for him that he fought back. Sad that AMFA allows for such witch hunts that could ruin someone forever...but you go on extolling their false virtues.

 

[swamt]

Well hopefully you can clear up my misleading the readers here (There are none) that AMFA only has 3800 represented members total whereas the TWU and IAM represent over 15,000 M&R at AA alone.

I could care less how many are represented by any union. What IS important is HOW they are represented. Much better to have quality representation over quantity represented.
Not only that, there are way too many different groups (12 I do believe) so no one group out of ALL 12 ever get the true focused on their group as far as representation goes. At least with AMFA we get very focused on within our Mechanic and Related group. No overwhelming misrepresentation from being so outnumbered as in the AA'ers case with an overwhelming fleet and other groups so much more focused on them rather than the Mechanic and Related.
And thanks once again for bringing up that very important detail about the AA'ers representation, just shows how bad the Mechanic and Related are NOT focused on at AA with the asso representation...

 

[swamt]

I do know the final outcome...and what they did to him was atrocious and uncalled for. Good for him that he fought back. Sad that AMFA allows for such witch hunts that could ruin someone forever...but you go on extolling their false virtues.

That was not AMFA doing anything. That was individuals (personal) attacks upon this gentleman. So he then took action also thru AMFA legal and won all accuations brought against him. Also those individuals were also dealt with in accordance with the by-laws.

 

[WeAAsles]

I could care less how many are represented by any union. What IS important is HOW they are represented. Much better to have quality representation over quantity represented.
Not only that, there are way too many different groups (12 I do believe) so no one group out of ALL 12 ever get the true focused on their group as far as representation goes. At least with AMFA we get very focused on within our Mechanic and Related group. No overwhelming misrepresentation from being so outnumbered as in the AA'ers case with an overwhelming fleet and other groups so much more focused on them rather than the Mechanic and Related.
And thanks once again for bringing up that very important detail about the AA'ers representation, just shows how bad the Mechanic and Related are NOT focused on at AA with the asso representation...

Ok so what it seems like you’re trying to say here is the smaller and smaller your group gets the better the representation AMFA will be able to provide for you. Also not sure how you can continue to believe that M&R at AA are not represented when their are over 15,000 members and their contract is just as good individually as yours?

And it’s better period because plain and simply it provides far more of an opportunity to get in than yours ever possibly could. You yourself just said that you are going to grow by 14 people. Meanwhile the rest of the Industry in every Group is growing by Thousands.

But AMFA at SWA is growing by 14. That’s quality representation alright. 🤦‍♂️

 

[WeAAsles]

I could care less how many are represented by any union. What IS important is HOW they are represented. Much better to have quality representation over quantity represented.
Not only that, there are way too many different groups (12 I do believe) so no one group out of ALL 12 ever get the true focused on their group as far as representation goes. At least with AMFA we get very focused on within our Mechanic and Related group. No overwhelming misrepresentation from being so outnumbered as in the AA'ers case with an overwhelming fleet and other groups so much more focused on them rather than the Mechanic and Related.
And thanks once again for bringing up that very important detail about the AA'ers representation, just shows how bad the Mechanic and Related are NOT focused on at AA with the asso representation...

swamt I want to try to get you out of that fantasyland you live in when thinking what you have is so much better than the AA M&R.

Go ahead and cherry pick this Contract for yourself. Post multiple examples where your AMFA contract is so much better for the individual AMT than this Association negotiated one? At the end of the day we all work for our Companies for pay and benefits. I’d bet that overall an AMT at AA with the same time as you at SWA pretty much makes the same?

http://www.twu-iam.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/MR-JCBA-TA-Final-3-9-20.pdf

http://www.amfanational.org/docs/contracts/AMFA_SWA_AMT_TA_20190401_print.pdf

 

[Thunderdome]

Oh yea you got jobs up the wazoo over there. Lol

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I just looked at the new systemwide seniority list that the company put out and this is the majority of the M&R group that the TWU/IAM Association represents. (Employed people)

9329 Aviation Maintenance Group
1080 AMT Crew Chiefs
1809 Facilities/GSE Mechanics
217 Facilities/GSE Crew Chiefs
471 Inspectors
174 Maintenance Control Techs
1782 Material Logistics Specialists
235 MLS Crew Chiefs
405 Planners
And a few smaller groups that I left out of the count.

That grouping alone is 15,502 M&R and growing.

At least at AA these skilled professionals can find work. Trying to get a job under AMFA representation is like trying to find a Wonka Bar Golden Ticket in a store that only sells underwear”

Out of curiosity, why leave out any of the groups covered by the M&R T/A?

 

[WeAAsles]

I want to point out something here about how great AMFA representation is if you’re not an AMT using what they have at Alaska Airlines.

Here’s a link to the IAM 142 Contract that covers COPS (Clerical and office personnel) If you look from page 164 to 169 you’ll see TOS pay that ranges for Agents Grade A to C from $33.46 to $30.30 and Clerical $29.84 to $24.92

https://atd142.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/COPS_Agreement_2019-2024.pdf

Ramp and Stores for IAM 141 page 98 and 99 TOS $30.30 to $35.80

https://atd142.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/RSSA_Agreement_2019-2024.pdf

And finally the Alaska AMFA Contract page 125 and 126

Technician Helper Janitor $26.68

Fleet Service (Cleaners) $16.55

https://www.amfa14.org/docs/contracts/AMFA_CBA_Extension_2021_2023_FINAL.pdf

$16.55 shows me what AMFA means for the low to unskilled workers and what kind of representation those people get for the dues they contribute. (Not worth paying for)

 

[WeAAsles]

Out of curiosity, why leave out any of the groups covered by the M&R T/A?

Absolutely for no personal reason other than I wasn’t looking to be complete to make my point. The handful of groups I left out each numbered under 100 people total. But here’s two pictures of the tabs that represent all the groups.

 

[Thunderdome]

Absolutely for no personal reason other than I wasn’t looking to be complete to make my point. The handful of groups I left out each numbered under 100 people total. But here’s two pictures of the tabs that represent all the groups.

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Alright fair enough. Thanks.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

You’re the loser who got fired from the Airline and can’t get over it.

They eliminated my shop after the TWU president of local 514 (who was in Fleet Service) and the Fleet Service Chairman encouraged the membership to vote for concessionary contracts. It's pretty telling that both of them had jobs waiting for them while everyone else in the shop was forced to put in a transfer or hit the street, with the Fleet Service Chairman even bypassing seniority.

I had made up my mind to leave before I even knew they were eliminating the shop. That is why I already had a good portion of my schooling done by the time I ASKED for early release *(with severance), so I could focus on finishing out my schooling.

keep believing your fantasies though.

The only thing TWU showed me is the representatives the membership voted for were willing to stab them in the back to cover their own ass and the international was willing to look the other way, all while taking deductions every two weeks.

That’s why you’re still here after they (deservedly) dumped you’re arse years ago.

Oh I deserved it? Along with the other 100+ people in the shop? And TUL? Now THAT'S the TWU I know.

Oh and in case you were wondering I just checked and Samuel Cirri is still employed at AA and you still are not. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha…..

I wasn't wondering. I assumed he was. After all he earned it shilling for the company.

You ever wonder why I did not put in a transfer to another shop at TULE WeAAsles? Ponder on that while you act the fool.

And that really is a nice Home you got there. Thanks for sending me the pic.

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And thanks for keeping your track record as a liar obvious and intact.

 

[WeAAsles]

They eliminated my shop after the TWU president of local 514 (who was in Fleet Service) and the Fleet Service Chairman encouraged the membership to vote for concessionary contracts. It's pretty telling that both of them had jobs waiting for them while everyone else in the shop was forced to put in a transfer or hit the street, with the Fleet Service Chairman even bypassing seniority.

I had made up my mind to leave before I even knew they were eliminating the shop. That is why I already had a good portion of my schooling done by the time I ASKED for early release *(with severance), so I could focus on finishing out my schooling.

keep believing your fantasies though.

The only thing TWU showed me is the representatives the membership voted for were willing to stab them in the back to cover their own ass and the international was willing to look the other way, all while taking deductions every two weeks.


Oh I deserved it? Along with the other 100+ people in the shop? And TUL? Now THAT'S the TWU I know.


I wasn't wondering. I assumed he was. After all he earned it shilling for the company.

You ever wonder why I did not put in a transfer to another shop at TULE WeAAsles? Ponder on that while you act the fool.


And thanks for keeping your track record as a liar obvious and intact.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

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You're capacity for self delusion never ceases to amaze me.

So how about your boy Justin Trudeau taking on the part of Strike Breaker.

Just another leftist PoS denying people their voice in favor of government control.

Not too long ago you had celebrity after celebrity declare they were moving to Canada if Trump won the presidency (then didn't follow through). Wonder what they think of their socialist utopia now?

Justin Trudeau is just another leftist hack showing his true commie colors. Government overreach has become his modus operandi.

I have personally not seen anything from the Association condemning Justin Trudeau's strike breaking measures. To me that speaks volumes. Party before principle aye WeAAsles?