Fleet Service apathy

[rockit2]

The three US hubs have more than enough work for an AGC to do. There should be a union office on the property, opened to all members with the AGC present when not attending union business at his other stations if he has others.
This crap of an AGC working from home is crap. He's more occupied with personal business than working for his people.

What makes a good AGC? Because he is your friend for twenty years, you drink with him, or his track record on issues concerning the members. Folks, the current AGC's have failed us in many ways and have helped in many ways, but judge the man by his record. Some should talk to the Buf employees, The hub employees to see how the AGC'S have performed. Don't be afraid to question their ability, your dues pay there salaries and don't be afraid to replace them.

 

[niblet]

United is not the enemy. However we have as many cities to represent why would we accept one third or one fourth the AGC's to United? Four AGC's are not working. We see that every day. Five would have been nicer if that happened, wich it did not. Now we go back to four. Are you suggesting we only need four AGC's? There are 21 AGC's and if I'm correct yo think 4 is enough.

 

[necigrad]

Has anyone actually gone through the present (pre-abrogation) AA TWU CBA, and compared it to the IAM Fleet Service Agreement? I am very curious for obvious reasons... wink..wink...

My understanding is that yes people have, that those people are in a certain position to do something with that, and in fact have done something with it.

 

[roabilly]

My understanding is that yes people have, that those people are in a certain position to do something with that, and in fact have done something with it.

Cool...

I will began my own research into this... is their (TWU/AA) agreement available for viewing online?

 

[roabilly]

The three US hubs have more than enough work for an AGC to do. There should be a union office on the property, opened to all members with the AGC present when not attending union business at his other stations if he has others.
This crap of an AGC working from home is crap. He's more occupied with personal business than working for his people.

What makes a good AGC? Because he is your friend for twenty years, you drink with him, or his track record on issues concerning the members. Folks, the current AGC's have failed us in many ways and have helped in many ways, but judge the man by his record. Some should talk to the Buf employees, The hub employees to see how the AGC'S have performed. Don't be afraid to question their ability, your dues pay there salaries and don't be afraid to replace them.

Well... to use Tim's logic... no education or special skills are needed to be an AGC... further they will be replaced by attorneys anyway... so what's the fuss?

 

[rockit2]

Well... to use Tim's logic... no education or special skills are needed to be an AGC... further they will be replaced by attorneys anyway... so what's the fuss?

There is no fuss....................I haven't seen an AGC in my station in at least eight months. That's unexceptable to me. Thirty dollars a paycheck and I expect some service, if it nothing more than a walk through, if not put his arse back on the ramp.
People change when power and money are involved but just as the Canale regime found out, they can be voted out of office.

Like I said before, this is our chance to get recognition at the disrtict office, by having one of our own voted in as president.

 

[roabilly]

OK… I’ve been attempting to ferret out fact from fiction for weeks now... and so far… here is what I have concluded…

1) The Give-Back Program is not credible or enforceable it is more than likely a gimmick to get Tim into office.


2) Re-training an entire ticket of Tim’s AGC’s would remove a substantial chunk of time and money from our resources at a critical time. (This would be applicable with the other tickets that are attempting to run as well.)


3) There is no magic person, or deity that can just waltz into a position of power like President of the 141, and completely alter the course of Organized Labor in this Industry! This observation is based on the myriad of complex regulations and laws that govern virtually every move we make. I don’t care how good of Bull S***er someone is… it is what it is… just ask the Pilots!


4) We can vote a mixed ticket if we wish, but that contains inherent risk as well due to several observations. The first being it may end up provoking a power struggle with UA, and perhaps weakening our position in that respect. If we “mix and match”… we could end up with candidates that are opposed to each other in ideology, thus creating an environment of friction, and mistrust that will drain our resources.


No matter how you cut it… radical change in leadership will not improve our position at the table… nor will it accelerate the arbitration/mediation process. The only thing that I have observed that could be done by Tim… or anyone else for that matter is this…we could improve communication; and perhaps organize an informational picket or two… That’s IT! The rest is strictly governed by federal laws!

 

[roabilly]

I would like to recommend a web-site sponsored by the AFL-CIO for everyone to read regularly if you want to know how collective bargaining actually works in the Airline Industry. You will find that there is no magic… there are no short-cuts… it is governed by a very complex legal system that HAS to followed… period!

View the site HERE!

 

[niblet]

OK… I’ve been attempting to ferret out fact from fiction for weeks now... and so far… here is what I have concluded…

1) The Give-Back Program is not credible or enforceable it is more than likely a gimmick to get Tim into office.


2) Re-training an entire ticket of Tim’s AGC’s would remove a substantial chunk of time and money from our resources at a critical time. (This would be applicable with the other tickets that are attempting to run as well.)


3) There is no magic person, or deity that can just waltz into a position of power like President of the 141, and completely alter the course of Organized Labor in this Industry! This observation is based on the myriad of complex regulations and laws that govern virtually every move we make. I don’t care how good of Bull S***er someone is… it is what it is… just ask the Pilots!


4) We can vote a mixed ticket if we wish, but that contains inherent risk as well due to several observations. The first being it may end up provoking a power struggle with UA, and perhaps weakening our position in that respect. If we “mix and match”… we could end up with candidates that are opposed to each other in ideology, thus creating an environment of friction, and mistrust that will drain our resources.


No matter how you cut it… radical change in leadership will not improve our position at the table… nor will it accelerate the arbitration/mediation process. The only thing that I have observed that could be done by Tim… or anyone else for that matter is this…we could improve communication; and perhaps organize an informational picket or two… That’s IT! The rest is strictly governed by federal laws!

Staus quo is status quo. Change is change. We each have our opinions. Change happens all around us every day. Four years ago it all changed. And it could all change again. Some of us dont like the way it is so staus quo sucks around here.

 

[Jester]

OK… I’ve been attempting to ferret out fact from fiction for weeks now... and so far… here is what I have concluded…

And My Dear Mr. Roabilly, you have been avoiding the question I have posed several times as to a list of accomplishments by RD and do you think the HAL agreement was acceptable? And let's consider the HAL agreement from the POV of a part-time "brother" who was run-over as if by an aircraft tug in the race for an agreement.

In addition, you have been looking for multiple versions of Tim, and attempting to cast-out those posters who you suspect are really just Tim clones because they question the effectiveness of the New Direction team. Now it is your turn... what's your angle in all this, because I have not ever seen you so outspoken and defensive about RD and the New Direction team, even 4 years ago. Frankly, I suspect there is something else happening here as you claim not to be on the ticket, but... well, why don't you fill in the gaps?

So Enquires Jester.

 

[pjirish317]

Tim,

Again, what "self-imposed" qualifications are you refering to with me? That was my first question. But in typical Tim spin, you choose to answer only a part of the question, the part that suites your argument, and disregard the rest. Why is that I wonder? But I will say that there is a HUGE difference between BK and MF, like apples and oranges. And if I had to choose your AGC's or FO, NH, MF, I would choose any of those 3 seven days a week and twice on sunday. BTW, you are exactly saying that the people running for AGC on your ticket are better than the current ones, but that is only because you are gonna coddle them with the aid of an attorney so they can "walk the beakrooms". So basically you have GLORIFIED orginizers as our AGC's. Gophers for your in-house attorney. BS artists if you will. The only person you have running for AGC on the US side that might be compentant enough to do the job is the other TN. MAYBE. I mean really why have them if the attorney is going to present the case at the Step 3 level and at arbitration? The Local Chairs can get everything ready for the attorney can't they? You also never answered how this attorney will travel to EVERY SINGLE STEP 3 HEARING AROUND THE SYSTEM? Please enlighten me as to this fact? Let me know before you answer so I can take some motion sickness medicine, the spin really gets to me.

Nelson? Nelson? Nelson?

No answer?


to orgac, you think EVERYBODY on your ticket has the members best interests at heart?

to rockit2, who is your AGC may I ask?

 

[rockit2]

Staus quo is status quo. Change is change. We each have our opinions. Change happens all around us every day. Four years ago it all changed. And it could all change again. Some of us dont like the way it is so staus quo sucks around here.

Amen Niblet, Change is needed and I don't by the crap about weakening our chances by giving the lethargic Agc's we have now another four years of big money and no service.

 

[roabilly]

Staus quo is status quo. Change is change. We each have our opinions. Change happens all around us every day. Four years ago it all changed. And it could all change again. Some of us dont like the way it is so staus quo sucks around here.

Wrong... actually NOTHING has changed, nor WILL it change under anyone's direction! The RLA is still in full force... arbitration schedules are still the same... and... Tim is STILL attempting to oust the President of the 141 just like he was in 2008, and the 16 years prior to that!

 

[niblet]

Wrong... actually NOTHING has changed! The RLA is still in full force... arbitration schedules are still the same... and... Tim is STILL attempting to oust the President of the 141 just like he was in 2008, and the 16 years prior to that!

Wouldnt that be my statement that we need change. And are you saying that ND 4 years later nothing changed? Thus more reason for change.

 

[rockit2]

Nelson? Nelson? Nelson?

No answer?


to orgac, you think EVERYBODY on your ticket has the members best interests at heart?

to rockit2, who is your AGC may I ask?

MR. Gill Simmons