Fleet Service apathy

[UnitedWeStand]

rockit2,
running for AGC (2 year term) from US Airways on the "Leadership for Progress" team. RF are the initials. Research the team and you should be able to connect the dots. If not, email me and I will be glad to communicate. I have posted my bio for review. Thank you for your consideration.
ograc

RF,
I went to your LL website. You said you have been Grievance Committee Chairman from '98 to present. Why are you not listed on the committee at all. It shows you as RS and AH as Committee Chairman. If you are going to be a credible candidate, you have to be truthful.
http://www.iam731.org/LL731.html

 

[rockit2]

So... I guess your assessment of the current AGC's performance is based on what criteria? Are you an AGC... ex-AGC... or otherwise trained in any of the courses required to be an AGC?

I will vote on the AGC's track record or the record of those who are running. No, I have never been an AGC or have desired for that position. The farthest up the chain of command I have been is grievence commitee man. Yes I have handled step 1,2 and 3 grievence and termination hearings and was quite successful. Anyone new to the office can perform with the proper training. Face it most of the managers hang themselves in the hearings and just deny it so it will get boggled down in PHX. That's exactly the way labor wants it, set on it till the cows come home.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Dog,

why are you consistantly calling BS on everything he says?

The obvious reason for calling BS.

Do you need to ask?

 

[rockit2]

The obvious reason for calling BS.

Do you need to ask?

So you have discontent for the man, without regard to his ability to do the job. That's called putting your grudge before professionalism. He is responsilble for the current regime being in place.

 

[roabilly]

So you have discontent for the man, without regard to his ability to do the job. That's called putting your grudge before professionalism. He is responsilble for the current regime being in place.

You said it... not me!

Don't you get it yet?

 

[rockit2]

You said it... not me!

Don't you get it yet?

Then you must be one of the old Canale regime?

 

[necigrad]

All agreements were post bankruptcy


On May 2006, USAirways Fleet Service Employees ratified a Final Transition
Agreement creating a new collective bargaining agreement that covers HP/US
employees,
http://web.archive.org/web/20080620232353/http://www.iam141.org/USA%20Tentative%208.11.08.htm


April 9, 2008 the IAM reached a post-bankrupt Agreement with US Airways fleet service employees
http://web.archive.org/web/20080612172953/http://www.iam141.org/usairway.htm
http://web.archive.org/web/20090105200321/http://www.iam141.org/PDF/US%20Airways/usa.05.15.08.ratification.pdf
May 15, 2008

Machinists Ratify Final US Airways Agreement
“This agreement provides for fair seniority integration, higher wages, better
vacations, increased overtime pay, more job security for all Fleet Service
employees,” said District 141 President Randy Canale. “After three years we can
finally move forward as a single, unified workforce.”




US Airways filed for bankruptcy 9/14/2004 Emerged bankruptcy on 9/27/2005

Some make a distinction between Section Six negotiations and some don't. The difference between the two is that Section Six is full on negotiations and results in a new contract. Transition agreements, which are what you posted, aren't all encompassing. Section Six if negotiations are unsuccessful the union can strike, transition agreements not so. When people say that we haven't negotiated a contract post bankruptcy they're not incorrect; only transition agreements to a contract have been negotiated.

 

[Dog Wonder]

So you have discontent for the man, without regard to his ability to do the job. That's called putting your grudge before professionalism. He is responsilble for the current regime being in place.

Please don't transfer your opinion to me.

I call BS when I see it. If you can't see or smell it, don't blame me. I am not the one pulling your strings.

Carry on.

 

[Tim Nelson]

So you have discontent for the man, without regard to his ability to do the job. That's called putting your grudge before professionalism. He is responsilble for the current regime being in place.

Roabily has a HUGE grudge against me because he thinks I made him look bad by supporting Delaney. Roabily is his own man and he himself decided, as much as I did, that Canale needed to go. Sorry but he didn't rent out his brain to me. All of us knew what we had to do and we did it. I stand behind my actions of doing all I could to get Canale out. And it was wise to do so. That said, Delaney isn't entitled to my vote or even his own job. You give folks a shot and if it doesn't work out and they end up terrible....you vote them out.

But it makes absolutely no sense to keep Delaney, 4 years after his last nominations, since all he has done is completely destroy each property. The reality is as follows:

1. Hawaiian - He lied to those workers and instead of his 'equal work = equal pay" stance, he ended up supporting management by placing part time on its OWN PAY SCALE that tops out at half of Full time. He also brought in the anti union ready reserve language from Delta airlines and made sure that the ready reserve doesn't count against the already 45% part time level at Hawaiian.

2. United; He wasted and pissed away 3 years of talks and burned through 2.5 million dollars only to start anew and support management into transition talks WITHOUT getting ANY considerations for our hard working members. Other unions like the IBT and AFA agreed to transition talks but told management to go pound salt on transitions unless management FIRST took care of the AFA and IBT members. IBT netted considerations of $59 million in the form of an immediate 10% pay raise and a total pay raise of 17% over 3 years. $70,000 buyout. $12,000 bonus. The AFA got $40 million JUST TO GO INTO TRANSITION. What does the ND do? They tell their members that they need to work with management to make the merger 'happen' and handed out IOU's.

3. US AIRWAYS: secretely agree with management to support management's lockout at certain stations. Delaney refused to post the secret LOA but Occupyiam141.com received a copy and has it posted on the site. He refused to arbitrate the attendance policy and instead brought it over to United without membership consent. And, he will do all he can to work with management on any merger, up to and including screwing the US AIRWAYS workers like he did with the United workers and halting negotiations FOR FREE and dumping everyone into transition talks which will take another 3-5 years.

Anyone who supports Delaney either has a personal grudge against me or is incredibly ignorant on the facts. But, I put my record up against ANYONE. When I was on the memberships dime, I did exactly what I said I was going to do. Having a leadership position in the District and being incredibly successful can not be denied. I owe it to myself and the membership to knock Delaney off of Pride Rock because he is incredibly soft and weak and smash down this terrible paternalistic structure that has completely scammed our membership, and usher in the transparency that is included in our platform. Along the way we will upgrade the district professionally also since I will be the first president like in forever that understands that our members actually need a "Top" attorney in negotiations with the AGC's and President. Although I probably have more formal education than anyone running for office, I realize I don't have a law degree and I want to surround ourselves with professionals like other unions do. There is a reason why 2% doesn't mean 2% in your contract and there is a reason why there is so much gray in it that you can paint a USS Battleship with it.

My passion, commitment, and energy that I spent successfully in a District leadership position is unrivaled and nobody is even close. Roabily is so full of crap due to his hate and can't stay focused on issues, instead he calls me names and avoids the record. I will not reduce myself down to the actions of Roabily and I will continue to respect him even if he is being less than fair.

The bottom line is that we have to not only change the names but we need to install a group of members who BELIEVE in the platform that changes the structure of the union to finally EMPOWER the masses. RIght now, all the masses get is NOTHING. No information. No knowledge. NOTHING. In fact, nobody even knows what is going on or what the plan is or anything at all. Management loves the way the ND looks!

Occupyiam141 has alot of hard work to do but our support continues to build. I need to bring in more support and need more key people to put this over the top. Contact me at timnelson63@yahoo.com after reading our website and reviewing our platform. If the Occupy team does not get in, then nothing else matters since our membership will continue to be treated 'second best' to United and management. Remember, Canale scored more nominations in 08 than the ND did this year. It's going to be a 3 headed race with Delaney and Karen [canaleite] splitting the UA vote. The ND folks are all giving glowing reports just like Canale's boys did in 08. And I fully expect that they will continue to do so.

www.occupyiam141.com

Onward!

 

[UnitedWeStand]

2. United; He wasted and pissed away 3 years of talks and burned through 2.5 million dollars only to start anew and support management into transition talks WITHOUT getting ANY considerations for our hard working members. Other unions like the IBT and AFA agreed to transition talks but told management to go pound salt on transitions unless management FIRST took care of the AFA and IBT members. IBT netted considerations of $59 million in the form of an immediate 10% pay raise and a total pay raise of 17% over 3 years. $70,000 buyout. $12,000 bonus. The AFA got $40 million JUST TO GO INTO TRANSITION. What does the ND do? They tell their members that they need to work with management to make the merger 'happen' and handed out IOU's.

Tim, I don't have all the information but as I heard it, the teamsters left a drop dead timeline in their contract that allowed carte blanche outsourcing of the workers. Was a quick transition a bad choice knowing the company had the intention of outsourcing?
By the way, did you see my previous questions?

 

[UnitedWeStand]

3. US AIRWAYS: secretely agree with management to support management's lockout at certain stations. Delaney refused to post the secret LOA but Occupyiam141.com received a copy and has it posted on the site. He refused to arbitrate the attendance policy and instead brought it over to United without membership consent. And, he will do all he can to work with management on any merger, up to and including screwing the US AIRWAYS workers like he did with the United workers and halting negotiations FOR FREE and dumping everyone into transition talks which will take another 3-5 years.

Tim, I read the LOA you posted. What was the grievance that was given up for the LOA?
I typed T/A but meant LOA, sorry

 

[Tim Nelson]

Another question to Mr. Nelson. I looked at the videos on the website. Bruce Davis said he was Continental Ramp. My question is: Why did you choose this person for a full time position if the Constitution says he can not run unless he is a member for two years? Thank you

First off, the constitution doesn't say he can't run for AGC. Nobody violated the consitution by having him running for office, nor did the Locals who nominated him violate the constitution.

The occupy platform is very strong on diversity because we know inclusion means more of a grab at solidarity. Therefore, it made no sense not to have the continental rampers participating in the front end of the nomination procedure. Mitch Buckley is the EWR committeeperson at the second biggest UA hub and we wanted to make sure that that hub had an opportunity to support one of their own, and they gave him their nomination. Bruce Davis is from the largest UA Hub, IAH, and we wanted to make sure that IAH had an opportunity to support one of its own. Bruce ended up in a runoff. But, both of these candidates understood that they would have to hand off the baton once June starts, even though they each received enough nominations.

Therefore, it allows two spots on the Occupy 141 to become open for us to carefully choose two '2 year term' AGC's who are on other teams. Further, once the election is over, whoever ends up being the President has up to 8 open AGC spots that will need filled. Mitch Buckley and Bruce Davis will be my first two appointees and they will have to run for election in two years. We will have to incorporate more Continental rampers and more UA PCE with the additional AGC spots that were available because of the increased membership.

Onward!

 

[Tim Nelson]

You talk about saving money, how smart is it to continue Section 6 Negotiations, then turn around and have to spend more money to negotiate a single CBA, mean while leaving the CO rampers hanging out to dry as they CBA is a POS and offers no scope protection?

Leadership role?

Filing short on cards at AirTran is leadership?

I dont think so.

What have you lead?

Lead any step III hearings? Arbitrations? Negotiations?

Nope!

No leadership there!

700,

What Delaney did was worse than a nursery crime. Moving into transition talks without FIRST attaining any benefit considerations for our members is anti union at best. Everyone understands that transition talks will have to come and that management begs for them, but it's also all about getting considerations for our members too. Our union has conveniently forgotten about its members and their families. Never mind that the airlines are making hundreds of millions even billions! Other unions like the AFA and IBT told the company to go pound salt about transition talks unless management FIRST considered their members. Getting a first bite at the apple, BEFORE, entering transition talks is both reasonable and expected. The IBT netted $59 million for their members JUST TO ENTER transition talks and they are now in transitions for MORE. They received a boost in pay of an immediate 10%, $70,000 buyout, etc and are now hedged closer to the top of the Leading Industry Contract Mountain. AFA also got an immeidate 10% pay raise JUST TO GO INTO TRANSITION. The IAM decided to take one leadership team into transitions without getting ANYTHING. NOTHING! to support management in hopes of having a more seamless merger. Throw in the fact that Delaney just decided on scab labor by having continental rampers do United airplanes and having United rampers do Continental airplanes. AFA and ALPA said no way but Delaeny says Hello Management!

Onward!

 

[rockit2]

Roabily has a HUGE grudge against me because he thinks I made him look bad by supporting Delaney. Roabily is his own man and he himself decided, as much as I did, that Canale needed to go. Sorry but he didn't rent out his brain to me. All of us knew what we had to do and we did it. I stand behind my actions of doing all I could to get Canale out. And it was wise to do so. That said, Delaney isn't entitled to my vote or even his own job. You give folks a shot and if it doesn't work out and they end up terrible....you vote them out.

But it makes absolutely no sense to keep Delaney, 4 years after his last nominations, since all he has done is completely destroy each property. The reality is as follows:

1. Hawaiian - He lied to those workers and instead of his 'equal work = equal pay" stance, he ended up supporting management by placing part time on its OWN PAY SCALE that tops out at half of Full time. He also brought in the anti union ready reserve language from Delta airlines and made sure that the ready reserve doesn't count against the already 45% part time level at Hawaiian.

2. United; He wasted and pissed away 3 years of talks and burned through 2.5 million dollars only to start anew and support management into transition talks WITHOUT getting ANY considerations for our hard working members. Other unions like the IBT and AFA agreed to transition talks but told management to go pound salt on transitions unless management FIRST took care of the AFA and IBT members. IBT netted considerations of $59 million in the form of an immediate 10% pay raise and a total pay raise of 17% over 3 years. $70,000 buyout. $12,000 bonus. The AFA got $40 million JUST TO GO INTO TRANSITION. What does the ND do? They tell their members that they need to work with management to make the merger 'happen' and handed out IOU's.

3. US AIRWAYS: secretely agree with management to support management's lockout at certain stations. Delaney refused to post the secret LOA but Occupyiam141.com received a copy and has it posted on the site. He refused to arbitrate the attendance policy and instead brought it over to United without membership consent. And, he will do all he can to work with management on any merger, up to and including screwing the US AIRWAYS workers like he did with the United workers and halting negotiations FOR FREE and dumping everyone into transition talks which will take another 3-5 years.

Anyone who supports Delaney either has a personal grudge against me or is incredibly ignorant on the facts. But, I put my record up against ANYONE. When I was on the memberships dime, I did exactly what I said I was going to do. Having a leadership position in the District and being incredibly successful can not be denied. I owe it to myself and the membership to knock Delaney off of Pride Rock because he is incredibly soft and weak and smash down this terrible paternalistic structure that has completely scammed our membership, and usher in the transparency that is included in our platform. Along the way we will upgrade the district professionally also since I will be the first president like in forever that understands that our members actually need a "Top" attorney in negotiations with the AGC's and President. Although I probably have more formal education than anyone running for office, I realize I don't have a law degree and I want to surround ourselves with professionals like other unions do. There is a reason why 2% doesn't mean 2% in your contract and there is a reason why there is so much gray in it that you can paint a USS Battleship with it.

My passion, commitment, and energy that I spent successfully in a District leadership position is unrivaled and nobody is even close. Roabily is so full of crap due to his hate and can't stay focused on issues, instead he calls me names and avoids the record. I will not reduce myself down to the actions of Roabily and I will continue to respect him even if he is being less than fair.

The bottom line is that we have to not only change the names but we need to install a group of members who BELIEVE in the platform that changes the structure of the union to finally EMPOWER the masses. RIght now, all the masses get is NOTHING. No information. No knowledge. NOTHING. In fact, nobody even knows what is going on or what the plan is or anything at all. Management loves the way the ND looks!

Occupyiam141 has alot of hard work to do but our support continues to build. I need to bring in more support and need more key people to put this over the top. Contact me at timnelson63@yahoo.com after reading our website and reviewing our platform. If the Occupy team does not get in, then nothing else matters since our membership will continue to be treated 'second best' to United and management. Remember, Canale scored more nominations in 08 than the ND did this year. It's going to be a 3 headed race with Delaney and Karen [canaleite] splitting the UA vote. The ND folks are all giving glowing reports just like Canale's boys did in 08. And I fully expect that they will continue to do so.

www.occupyiam141.com

Onward!

Mr. Nelson,
Was Delazey at any of our negotiating sessions with the company? If so would you share that information to us.

 

[rockit2]

700,

What Delaney did was worse than a nursery crime. Moving into transition talks without FIRST attaining any benefit considerations for our members is anti union at best. Everyone understands that transition talks will have to come and that management begs for them, but it's also all about getting considerations for our members too. Our union has conveniently forgotten about its members and their families. Never mind that the airlines are making hundreds of millions even billions! Other unions like the AFA and IBT told the company to go pound salt about transition talks unless management FIRST considered their members. Getting a first bite at the apple, BEFORE, entering transition talks is both reasonable and expected. The IBT netted $59 million for their members JUST TO ENTER transition talks and they are now in transitions for MORE. They received a boost in pay of an immediate 10%, $70,000 buyout, etc and are now hedged closer to the top of the Leading Industry Contract Mountain. AFA also got an immeidate 10% pay raise JUST TO GO INTO TRANSITION. The IAM decided to take one leadership team into transitions without getting ANYTHING. NOTHING! to support management in hopes of having a more seamless merger. Throw in the fact that Delaney just decided on scab labor by having continental rampers do United airplanes and having United rampers do Continental airplanes. AFA and ALPA said no way but Delaeny says Hello Management!

Onward!

Mr. Nelson
If and if there is a merge with AA, do you have any plans in the works as far as negotiations with the company. Also if any of delazey friends out there, please tell him we would like to here his views on this, or does he even care.