Fleet Service apathy

[ograc]

pjirish,
You have steered this line of questions right where i thought you would with my begining response. Your agenda is quite apparent. If you believe being experienced for AGC is being a "polished politician" who misleads the membership, with at best over inflated qualifications for office, I would not want your support or vote. In my years of being Grievance Committee Chairperson I am certainly use to breakroom bashing and being scrutinized. Through experience I have come to realize there are some, like yourself, who fail to be open minded to ideas, and qualified candidates, that represent positive progress for the membership. They have an agenda. The agenda is attempt to discredit the qualified in order to promote their personal preference. In closing, as I have stated earlier, I run on my experience, track record and integrity. If you choose to engage in negative campaigning in order to advance your selection of candidates that is your choice. I choose to not be part of it.
ograc

Yet you can't asnwer questions either. You support an ineffectial person for AGC. Who has proven that he would rather collect a paycheck rather than help the membership. So you are saying that the current AGC's are polished politicians, that have mislead the membership? Really? And you think that you are more qualified that the current AGC's in office now? Please. Discredit? Discredit who? You? MW prehaps? IMO you, the LfP ticket, and the occupy ticket are the ones with political axes to grind, the ones with an "agenda", and are the most closed minded individuals on here.

pjirish,
I have recently visited PHL and CLT and plan to do so in the weeks ahead. Based on my conversations with the members in both stations your endorsed team does not have the support you speak of. They have been in office for four years. I understand your concern. I understand your sense of urgency. I do not condone your reaction to the truth, although through my experience, I knew your negative reaction was coming. Accountabity for the past four years is at hand. Let's just leave it at that and let the members decide.
ograc

 

[BLUTO]

Thats the best you have. You are the inexperienced one here. Besides you sound childish. Are you a child? Are you over 18? Do your parents know you have their computer? Are you old enough to know what Kool-aid is? What is your name? What is your union affiliation? Do you pay dues? Do you know where the dues go? Whats your local number?

this typical of occupy gys. make fun of other people and question how smart and old. im old to vote dude and it wont be for you koolaid drinking nelson robots! occupy team has no experencince wih any thing but bullshit. We asked ramp guys yesterday if they will vote nelson team, they sais they never even hrd of occupy!

 

[pjirish317]

ograc,

Reaction to what truth? That you are running on a ticket that reeks of the old canoli way of doing things. Look who is on your ticket. It is mostly comprised of canoli supporters that were voted out 4 and 2 years ago respectively. My negativity comes from the very people who are your running mates. Where was MW's accountability from 2008 to 2010? When he sat around for 2 years and did nothing? How about RE. She was found to be guilty of duel unionism and should not have been eligible to run for office? Was it not the teamsters that she was "in-bed" with, trying to oust the IAM because she was voted out along with the other trash? Yet, because of a technicality, she is allowed to run. And you continue to support these people. All I can say to you is good luck.

 

[700UW]

Tim was found guilty of dual unionism and was removed from Grievance Chair before.

Gee he should be able to run either then according to your logic.

 

[ograc]

ograc,

Reaction to what truth? That you are running on a ticket that reeks of the old canoli way of doing things. Look who is on your ticket. It is mostly comprised of canoli supporters that were voted out 4 and 2 years ago respectively. My negativity comes from the very people who are your running mates. Where was MW's accountability from 2008 to 2010? When he sat around for 2 years and did nothing? How about RE. She was found to be guilty of duel unionism and should not have been eligible to run for office? Was it not the teamsters that she was "in-bed" with, trying to oust the IAM because she was voted out along with the other trash? Yet, because of a technicality, she is allowed to run. And you continue to support these people. All I can say to you is good luck.

Your hostility is duly noted pjirish. You have confirmed my original assesment of your character and intent into asking your leading questions. You did not seek true answers to the questions posted. What you sought was an opportunity to post your negativity toward anyone running against your personal preference of candidates. Your posture and your posts speak volumes to your character. You are about bashing candidates running for office and I am not. I'm sorry we could not engage in a more meaningful dialogue.
ograc

 

[niblet]

this typical of occupy gys. make fun of other people and question how smart and old. im old to vote dude and it wont be for you koolaid drinking nelson robots! occupy team has no experencince wih any thing but bullshit. We asked ramp guys yesterday if they will vote nelson team, they sais they never even hrd of occupy!

Blah Blah Blah. Is this typical or you never heard of occupy? What station do you work in? Thats a real question. I work in FLL. I know agents all over the system. Try me. Where do you work?

 

[roabilly]

this typical of occupy gys. make fun of other people and question how smart and old. im old to vote dude and it wont be for you koolaid drinking nelson robots! occupy team has no experencince wih any thing but bullshit. We asked ramp guys yesterday if they will vote nelson team, they sais they never even hrd of occupy!

Are you another one of Tim’s “stir the pot” tricks?

If you are… these types of campaign tactics only serve to discredit you. Why would we want someone that engages in physiological games serving as our leader? Obviously this kind of behavior would not work with the Company, or the Arbitrators.

My question to the Occupy Leadership is this…who do you have in mind to replace the two Continental Candidates that are ineligible to serve? Don’t you think we have a right to know?

 

[nascarjoe]

Joe. May I call you Joe? I answered you the first two times the same as now. They all have experience. As to what you want to know you would have to ask them. They are on FACEBOOK. They've posted their BIO'S. You are free to go and look. I said Iknow and have known all but one for 20 plus years. You can go to occupyiam141.com also. I think you are trying to be specific so why dont you just say it. Which candidate are you wanting specific info on?

Niblet,

NO! You never did answer me. Second, I did specifically tell you what candidates I wanted info on. Again, the AGC candidates running on your ticket from the hubs CLT, PHL, and PHX. "Saywhat" answered the question as much as he could. I went to your occupy website and watched the video clips of the candidates. You all talk about what you want to do, but don't talk about your experience to do the job. What experience and training do these candidates have. Right now I think they are lacking the experience for the AGC position.

Can you change my mind?

 

[pjirish317]

Your hostility is duly noted pjirish. You have confirmed my original assesment of your character and intent into asking your leading questions. You did not seek true answers to the questions posted. What you sought was an opportunity to post your negativity toward anyone running against your personal preference of candidates. Your posture and your posts speak volumes to your character. You are about bashing candidates running for office and I am not. I'm sorry we could not engage in a more meaningful dialogue.
ograc

Take my responses as hostility if you like. I call it trying to get to the heart of the matter at hand. You have no idea about my character. But the way you defend a useless, has been, lazy AGC like MW, speaks volumes about yours. I asked those questions to you, about your platform, because some did not make any sense. For example, what are the realities of the industry? And how do you plan to tie the officer's pay to those realities? What I sought was to ferret out the real promises of change, vs. the empty political ones that are just that, empty. My posture is so because I feel as though the current people US has as our AGC's were not given a chance to really prove their actual worth in these trying last 2 years. Especially the last 8 or so months with negotiations. If you can't handle the criticism, or bashing as you like to call it, thats on you. You say you don't bash, yet you come on here stating that the ND has done nothing for the membership in the last four years and it's time for a change, I call BS on that. And you take offense. Please. I gave you plenty of time to engage in a "meaningful dialogue", and you chose to skirt questions asked of you.

 

[cltrat]

maybe we should be less worried about this politics and more about how much Parker has sold us down the river to get TWU on board.

 

[mike33]

The International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers said Friday it "will aggressively represent" the interests of employees in in a potential US Airways takeover of American Airlines.

Here are comments from IAM transportation general vice president Sito Pantoja:

"The IAM's first responsibility is to protect the seniority, job-security, wages, benefits and pensions of our members at US Airways. We have a long history at US Airways, with substantial experience defending members during mergers and uncertain economic times. We are fully prepared to protect our members as this process unfolds. ...
"Too often we have seen airline consolidation advance at the expense of airline workers, except for the corporate executives who cut jobs, raise fares, reduce service, and shower themselves with cash and bonuses.

"The IAM will oppose any merger that would take place at the expense of workers, the flying public, and the communities served by these two airlines. ...

"Employees at both carriers can be assured that the IAM will utilize every available resource to ensure they are protected during this process. The IAM will fight for the fair treatment of all employees at US Airways and American Airlines."


I say to each and every one of you reading these boards. We have many decisions to be made if you believe that this merger is going to happen. Decisions that affect everyone from Pay to Med to who knows what else. It is the IAMs job to protect everyone of its members to the best of their ability. The obstacles ahead are many. All the board rhetoric means absolute nothing if this goes ahead by the Fall. I challenge you to read the TA that will come of this carefully. ( If it gets to that point ). We learn by our mistakes one would hope! And remember this ! This Airline holds the key to the EastCoast Synergies so to speak. The hubs are ours and a hand well MANAGED, will help all of us in the long run. Keep up to date on whats happening with this Merger Mania stuff because if it gets real serious ( which it seems it's almost there ), you need to decide if you want a Leadership change within this union. I use the word you because my decision in my mind has been made. I wouldn't change leadership for anything right now knowing the inside track they have on this thing.

Just take it for what its worth and look at all the facts and decide for yourselves what may lie ahead. ...............Pun intended

 

[wings396]

Now will be the time that they can show us something.
Not to sure about the above remarks in reference to economic times though....

 

[niblet]

Sound like Parker has reached deals with the AA unions. Promising them the moon and saving their jobs along the way. But at what cost? Would those saved AA jobs be ours? He is securing their unions.

 

[ograc]

maybe we should be less worried about this politics and more about how much Parker has sold us down the river to get TWU on board.

cltrat,
Parker has indeed insulted labor groups on his property, by reaching out to labor groups at AA and negotiating written agreements with them, in the event of a merger. All the while dancing with the unions on his property in negotiations. Even RD's communication to the membership confirms the district was not informed until last night (04/19) after the fact. He has played his cards and shown his colors. It should be clear to all at US what the agenda is. If the TWU in the end becomes the bargaining representative of the merged workforce, through an election, whatever the IAM has negotiated becomes irrelevant. TWU represents only members in the hubs at AA. Outline stations goodbye. Seniority integration is pretty simple based on TWU history... former US employees' years of service not recognized. US at the bottom of the list. They did it to IAM represented TWA employees and trying to do it to IAM represented former Air Tran ramp employees. Consider the combined / merged operational system. AA major international hubs in JFK and MIA on the east coast. Where does that leave PHL and CLT? AA major hub in DFW and major international hub in LAX. Where does that leave PHX? The election of officers of the IAM DL 141 needs to be decided. Whomever the elected officers are will take the reigns battling against a well orchestrated agenda of the company. I am confident, whomever gets elected, is fully aware what's at stake. I would hope, based on recent developments, all of our members would realize who has the best interests of the membership in mind. Enough of the petty in house fighting.There are much bigger battles to consider on the horizon.
ograc

 

[Harry Callahan]

Based on the above post I'm glad my days here are numbered 😀 time to get out of this place.

Harry