Fleet Service apathy

[Jester]

And your such a union person, you sold out your fellow brothers and sisters.

And you weren't waiting for a $10,000 raise either, even if you were part of fleet service, now please go away.

Your not even involved, yet you love to bash.

You aren't even employed by the company, nor will you ever be employed by the company again, now please go away.

Your dont have any dealings with any other group in the district nor your not even involved in US.

How do you know of my "dealings", now please go away.

Your not big enough to support your own district.

And "your" not interesting enough to find another hobby, now please go away.

After some consideration, it is time to find the "block" option, as some pestering interloper continues to opine about topics which affect him none.

So Ignores Jester.

 

[roabilly]

To answer your question a few pages back................NO I am not on any ticket or comittee or any political group within the union, I am a fleet service agent who has sat back and listened and analyzed this apathy that has been laid before me.

Why would it not be to the best interest US flleet to have one of our own to be president of the district. The opportunty is now. Vote in your favorite AGC but don't let this presidency slip away. It could be benificial to us. Delazey has shown what we are to him, nothing. You guy's only want to beat and bash each other instead of combining all of our energy to combat the one enemy we all have ( THE COMPANY). This bullshit and childish ways are the reason I stopped being involved. We fight each other rather than fighting the company.

If the current wages and work rules are exceptable to you now, make no changes, keep the status quo, be happy and stop bitching.

Let's talk "bashing"... Tim has been bashing the Union Leadership for decades... pitting the members against the union in the process. Now how does that prepare us to fight the company? Have you ever herd of the term divide and conquer? Anyway... you can call it “bashing” if you wish… but I’m not going to just roll over and take Tim’s word as the gospel from above. I’ve already been there… done that in 2008!

Nor, am I willing to take your word for it either. Your belief is your belief… and mine is mine. I place a lot pride in making well thought out intelligent decisions. I’ve looked at all the angles that Tim has presented… and I’m sorry to say… I simply don’t believe him! I don’t believe he is in it for the Membership as he claims… I think it’s a personal vendetta against Delaney, and some of the other officers.

And where do you get that we (Fleet) should have our own personal President? Wait… I know the answer… Nelson! We are ALL IAM members! What Tim is doing will not solidify our group; it will weaken and divide it!

Do you really think that Tim would actually treat my preferred N/D AGC’s well if he were president? They have chosen not to follow, or support him in this crazy Occupy Movement... just as I have! He would send them on special assignment to Siberia on a one-way ticket!

Further, you have no idea what the wages or work rules will be after ratification of a Section 6 CBA. I guess you belive Tim... and want to jerk or N/D team out in the middle of negotiations... and insert all new ones right? Have you even taken time to learn anything about the RLA or Collective Bargaining? My suggestion to you is this... put the Kool-Aid down... there are other sources of accurate information other than the propaganda Tim spreads!

I drank Tim's Kool-Aid in 08 by the gallon... (even spiked some with moonshine)... so I've been there... and I refuse to go "there" again!

Not gonna Happen!

 

[Kev3188]

All I know is that the caliphate of Car 54 needs to go, before we are another victim of his indifference to US FSAs with another questionable CBA!

Funny how we are "only" 6,000 people and I have heard of unions with less than a dozen people, but yet, we are too small to be a separate union away from UA, HAL and various other unions? Could we create a separate union with a separate PDGC while still under the IAM? I just feel we have been poorly represented for some time because we are too small of a group to garner much attention for those in charge.

So Proffers Jester.

I assume you meant your own district?

Probably too small for a stand alone district; a better option (although also unlikely to ever occur) would be to move to DL142... At least then you wouldn't be so overshadowed by UAL's numbers...

 

[roabilly]

I assume you meant your own district?

Probably too small for a stand alone district; a better option (although also unlikely to ever occur) would be to move to DL142... At least then you wouldn't be so overshadowed by UAL's numbers...

Actually,

This may be a better solution than completely gutting what we have now just because Nelson says that’s what we should do. My original thoughts in going with the IAM in the first place were that we would have combined strength with the Mechanics and Clerks for solidarity, and better leverage.

Which brings me to my next question… if this was to actually occur… would Tim start a whole new campaign, and proclaim Higgenbotham as inept, and attempt to overthrow him, and everyone under him?

Tim… can you give me your opinion on such a scenario where Fleet would shift to the DL142. Would that satisfy you in terms of getting adequate recognition and solidarity for Fleet?

 

[saywhat]

Actually,

This may be a better solution than completely gutting what we have now just because Nelson says that’s what we should do. My original thoughts in going with the IAM in the first place were that we would have combined strength with the Mechanics and Clerks for solidarity, and better leverage.

Which brings me to my next question… if this was to actually occur… would Tim start a whole new campaign, and proclaim Higgenbotham as inept, and attempt to overthrow him, and everyone under him?

Tim… can you give me your opinion on such a scenario where Fleet would shift to the DL142. Would that satisfy you in terms of getting adequate recognition and solidarity for Fleet?

Roabilly,

C'mon man you know TN would do exactly what he is doing now and that would be divide, divide and keep dividing until the company wins. You have pegged him correctly all along.

 

[rockit2]

Roabilly,

C'mon man you know TN would do exactly what he is doing now and that would be divide, divide and keep dividing until the company wins. You have pegged him correctly all along.

I don't think this dividing theory is correct. There are three slates and everyone is campaigning hard. Just because one slate is throwing out new ideas, one slate is talking status quo and the third slate is not saying much at all. It's posturing till June and then the vote is on.

Roa, I think I know who you are and you have come along way, as I recall , you were a good ole southern boy who denounced unions, not that there ws anything wrong with that. You've really come out of your shell.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Roa, I think I know who you are and you have come along way, as I recall , you were a good ole southern boy who denounced unions, not that there ws anything wrong with that. You've really come out of your shell.

If he was a good ole boy against all unions, he had a lot of company.

A lot of those good ole boys learned from that mistake.

 

[ograc]

I don't think this dividing theory is correct. There are three slates and everyone is campaigning hard. Just because one slate is throwing out new ideas, one slate is talking status quo and the third slate is not saying much at all. It's posturing till June and then the vote is on.

Roa, I think I know who you are and you have come along way, as I recall , you were a good ole southern boy who denounced unions, not that there ws anything wrong with that. You've really come out of your shell.

The third slate will have much to say and offer the membership. In time all members will have an opportunity to review the slate's position (platform), which is inclusive of some new ideas that address past falings of the district, and the qualifications and experience of the candidates on the team. The third slate would like to stay clear of bashing the others in order to gain support. To this point in the campaign this has not been the case. Remember there will be 3 choices in June.
ograc
Leadership for Progress 2012

 

[roabilly]

Roa, I think I know who you are and you have come along way, as I recall , you were a good ole southern boy who denounced unions, not that there ws anything wrong with that. You've really come out of your shell.

Well... you are partially correct… yes, I’m a Good ol’ Boy… a Southern Horse Ranch Owner, Agricultural Enthusiast… Professional Humorous Illustrator, and lover of all things Aviation.

Where you are way the hell off… is in the part about me being anti-union! I’ve always been a supporter of Organized Labor. I grew-up in a Union Household. My father was a life long IAM member until his retirement from our Company in 1996. I was assisting with an effort to organize a union for fleet within weeks of entering the work-force in the late 70’s!

So…NO… you do not know me at all... and further... this ain’t my first rodeo son!

I've seen this company go from "puddle jumper" to international carrier... from a myriad of paint schemes and logos to new ones... from regulation to deregulation… from low fare… to full amenity… from prosperity at 60% load factors… to bankruptcy at 90% load factors! There ain’t a whole lot that anyone can tell me about this industry that I don’t already know… I lived it, and watched it happen from the trenches!

None of this means that I don’t respect your opinion… it just means… I’m callin’ Bullshit on Occupy! I think I’ve made my case over the last few weeks… so there is no reason to rehash why I hold this position. Further, I wouldn’t be on here spending all this freaking time and energy opposing Tim... if I actually thought occupy would be beneficial to Fleet!

BroBilly

P.S. If you ever post anything again claiming I denounce/denounced unionism... me 'n you gonna go round... can opener or not!

 

[mike33]

Nice Job Roabilly !!!

 

[Other People]

Roabilly,

C'mon man you know TN would do exactly what he is doing now and that would be divide, divide and keep dividing until the company wins. You have pegged him correctly all along.

If there is one person who constantly unifies fleet service it is Tim Nelson. He unifies us to shut down bad contracts, unified us to get out Canale, unified others to bring in thousands for the IAM in organizing, and now unified the 3 US AIRWAYS hubs to endorse him.

Whenver he is around he unifies us. We need a leader of this District and right now we don't have one. Say what you will about Nelson but he is a leader and has led, but Delaney has never led a thing.

The hubs have spoken and they all endorsed Nelson. And it seems that another large group of members from Continental are also with him. Logically, if he didn't have a chance, the few pro delaney supporters wouldn't be posting.

It's time to give a US AIRWAYS member a chance. Being treated second best shouldn't continue.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Don't confuse Tim's obsession with stirring up sh!t with altruism.

And don't confuse self-promotion with leadership.

Carry on.

 

[roabilly]

Don't confuse Tim's obsession with stirring up sh!t with altruism.

And don't confuse self-promotion with leadership.

Carry on.

And may I add… don’t confuse megalomania with authenticity and provenance !

 

[ograc]

If there is one person who constantly unifies fleet service it is Tim Nelson. He unifies us to shut down bad contracts, unified us to get out Canale, unified others to bring in thousands for the IAM in organizing, and now unified the 3 US AIRWAYS hubs to endorse him.

Whenver he is around he unifies us. We need a leader of this District and right now we don't have one. Say what you will about Nelson but he is a leader and has led, but Delaney has never led a thing.

The hubs have spoken and they all endorsed Nelson. And it seems that another large group of members from Continental are also with him. Logically, if he didn't have a chance, the few pro delaney supporters wouldn't be posting.

It's time to give a US AIRWAYS member a chance. Being treated second best shouldn't continue.

Other People,
I cannot speak for the current leadership team in place. I do know the consensus among the candidates who make up "The Leadership For Progress" team is that we are all equal within the district and will be treated as such. It is a diverse team made up of representatives from different job classifications and airlines. We are all members of the same union and face common corporate agendas of greed, disregard for contractual language and attempts to divide and conquer the membership. Same agenda but different airlines. No one will be treated as second best on this team. We have too much in common and much work to do.
ograc

 

[roabilly]

Other People,
I cannot speak for the current leadership team in place. I do know the consensus among the candidates who make up "The Leadership For Progress" team is that we are all equal within the district and will be treated as such. It is a diverse team made up of representatives from different job classifications and airlines. We are all members of the same union and face common corporate agendas of greed, disregard for contractual language and attempts to divide and conquer the membership. Same agenda but different airlines. No one will be treated as second best on this team. We have too much in common and much work to do.
ograc

Congratulations Cargo! You are the only candidate running that has made themselves accessible on this forum that actually makes any sense. You have demonstrated ALL of the qualities I look for in a leader.

You are humble, knowledgeable, and wise from experience. You have chosen not to engage in childish bashing of the current leadership, and that speaks volumes about your character.

You have presented actual solutions in terms of cohesion and patience. You will get my vote, but... as I mentioned before… I want to keep our best N/D folks in office.

Prepare to join them!