Fleet Service thread IAM

[cltrat]

D F you seem to be one of the bosses lackeys tell him not to waste his time bringing some garbage TA to CLT for a vote Canoli and his cronies disgust me and should any dues paying member

 

[mike33]

D F you seem to be one of the bosses lackeys tell him not to waste his time bringing some garbage TA to CLT for a vote Canoli and his cronies disgust me and should any dues paying member

It's almost as though they don't realize the age of computer info is here and we all have one to pass on info. The days of sitting in the dark are over. We know whats what in a matter of minutes, so don't waste our time.
WHAT DON'T YOU GET?

 

[roabilly]

Quote: Tim Nelson

Based on what I heard, Parker was not in attendance at a Chicago meeting last week that reportedly had up to 6 VP's and higher officers of US AIRWAYS. The presumption is that this was apparently a meeting discussing 'merger & acquisitions'. (With United Airlines… clarification edit by Roabilly)
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The above post is exactly… why we are in Transition Talks!

Parker…Cornhole’e… Yahh wanna go with United?
We’ll (Fleet) gladly help to facilitate your plans…for a cost!

That ‘cost’ will be an acceptable Industry Standard Compensation Package for Fleet Service… nothing less!

And…by the way… Mr. Parker…we are aware of your recently filed “Compensatory Agreements of Certain Officers†(I.E. Annual Incentive Program.) filed on April 3, 2008 with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

All Fleet members… please click on the link below.

Pay extra special attention to the language regarding “peer†carriers. These are the same Airlines that the IAM & Tempe contend that 'most' of which are not to be part of our pay parity formula!

http://www.usaviation.com/forums/index.php...ost&id=7385

 

[Theo Corner]

Well folks, I have heard the agreement is out there... So where is it?

Details... Overview... Basics...

Come on IAM and US, let us know how you intend to screw us now.

😛h34r:

 

[awausairtech]

As M&R voted this was done by Parker and the boys... http://www.usaviation.com/forums/index.php...ost&id=7385 Road missed the link sorry.

 

[Planemx]

As M&R voted this was done by Parker and the boys... http://www.usaviation.com/forums/index.php...ost&id=7385 Road missed the link sorry.

Got a copy printed for reference......I almost laughed, been expecting this for awhile but have been told it wouldn't happen.

 

[isthisok]

Everyone has to print that out and make sure that every one of their coworkers are aware of it. Not everyone comes on this forum. This is totally unexceptable and highly arrogant. Anything other than a industry standard contract should be shoved up their a$$e$.

 

[orioleman]

unanimous

Main Entry:
unan·i·mous Listen to the pronunciation of unanimous
Pronunciation:
\yu̇-ˈna-nə-məs\
Function:
adjective
Etymology:
Latin unanimus, from unus one + animus mind — more at one, animate
Date:
1624

1 : being of one mind : agreeing 2 : formed with or indicating unanimity : having the agreement and consent of all
— unan·i·mous·ly adverb

Randy WHAT don't you understand. :angry: :angry: :angry:

 

[cltrat]

unanimous

Main Entry:
unan·i·mous Listen to the pronunciation of unanimous
Pronunciation:
\yu̇-ˈna-nə-məs\
Function:
adjective
Etymology:
Latin unanimus, from unus one + animus mind — more at one, animate
Date:
1624

1 : being of one mind : agreeing 2 : formed with or indicating unanimity : having the agreement and consent of all
— unan·i·mous·ly adverb

Randy WHAT don't you understand. :angry: :angry: :angry:


O man the only thing the boss understands is the company lining his pockets. if he showed up at CLT on fire I wouldnt whizz on him to put it out

 

[Districtforce]

Based on what I heard, Parker was not in attendance at a Chicago meeting last week that reportedly had up to 6 VP's and higher officers of US AIRWAYS. The presumption is that this was apparently a meeting discussing 'merger & acquisitions'.

I'd like to ask my dear friend District Force to comment on the accuracy of this report since he apparently is a man 'in the know' about mergers. Also, based strictly on initial reports in this thread, it appears that an apparent TA may be signed in a couple hours. These reports have all indicated that this apparent TA was a sellout but we'll have to wait to review the language. To that end, if I remember correctly, District Force agreed that fleet was solid and that it could expect to get $19.50 at minimum but $20 might be too high. So District Force, would you say that any agreement that is not at $19.50 at signing a fair one? And if not, what should fleet service do about it?

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

Tim,
as I told you previously, I am not against our members making $20 top out but your company has continuously insisted on a cost neutral contract for our fleet craft. Our mechanics come out ahead based on their skills. The pilots will eventually come out even better because of their skills. Does that mean a mechanic should expect the same wage increases as a Pilot? Absolutely not.
You and your network have failed to take into consideration that the fleet service craft is non skilled. Also, you didn't lose as much as other groups who have continuously built upon contract after contract.

I do admire fleet's solidarity. I have been to many locals over the past few months and I thought that $19.50 could be achievable in these contract negotiations. However, the teeth of solidarity is always the strike vote which you are not entitled to in transition talks. Our contract does not allow us to strike so we do not have the leverage to take full advantage of the solidarity that you and your fellow brothers and sisters have displayed. It would have been nice to have this solidarity years ago when fleet was only giving us 50% strike votes.

I can't answer for you what is fair, I'm not in the business of telling others what is right for their family, that's a private decision. The IAM is a union that has always come under the democratic vote and the majority will determine what is fair. My statement in a previous thread expressing that $19.50 was attainable was based on the opinion that your company should recognize the benefit returns of that added investment. Unfortunately, as I mentioned earlier, your company has previously insisted on only giving you a cost neutral contract outside of section 6 negotiaitons. If you want $20, then how many jobs do you want to give up? That's the question. In this environment we are trying to preserve as many jobs as possible and Randy Canale is not in the business of being involved in destructive negotiations. Randy has years of experience and truly understands the environment. Randy would love to get fleet everything it wants but that's not how it works and it is very unfair for you to continue making it seem as if Randy Canale is against our fleet craft.

The second part of your question has all of us concerned. Unfortunately, mergers are going to happen. We all know what happens to labor when this industry consolidates. We lose members and workers lose jobs as the airlines cut back on service and consolidate operations.
I am not in position to comment specifically about any known M & A activity. Generally speaking, I fully expect US AIRWAYS will be an active participant to remain competitive. I expect the same with United. Time will tell how things shake out.

The price of oil has forced this upon the industry and any airline that does not participate will not be around much longer. I fully anticipate most of this industry to be in M & A activity before July since the general feeling is that the Bush administration will be receptive to M & A activity in this industry. That process will need a minimum of 4-6 months regardless of any transaction.

That is why I have continuously held the opinion that now isn't the time to fight. Your company needs to finalize transition to put itself in the best position for investment parties. What good is it if you get your holy grail $20 but don't have an airline to work for next year? Do you want to be responsible for thousands of families that have parents out of work? The fleet craft must recognize that we aren't talking about the chapter 11 bankruptcy laws, in this environment we are talking about chapter 7. That's right Tim, chapter 7.

 

[orioleman]

"I can't answer for you what is fair, I'm not in the business of telling others what is right for their family, that's a private decision."

sorry force have to laugh at your contradiction .. You didn't seem to worried about ones family when you came peddling that B/S pension
that virtually no one will ever get.

YOU had no problem peddling that bk contract . lets see "Live to fight another day".. gee that was only a couple of years ago I know you couldn't have forgotten that speech

so soon.

 

[JoeDirt]

DF
The rank and file of Fleet does not oppose any up coming M & A activity. As a matter of fact most will support and welcome it but that
support comes at a price. The question now becomes will management pay that price. Canale and Tempe are well aware of this and no
amount of doom and gloom nor scare tactics will change these facts. We are solid in our convictions and if Tempe wishes to continue with
their plans they must deal with us fairly and we will decide what is fair. Anything less will get the same results it did in Sept.

 

[orioleman]

"We all know what happens to labor when this industry consolidates. We lose members and workers lose jobs as the airlines cut back on service and consolidate operations."

BINGO... SO why is the IAM SO ready to serve up the COC language . that WE not you gave up concessions to get in.. Another contradiction . OH great POO Bah Bah

 

[pjirish317]

"Live to fight another day"..

Oman,


That seems to be the motto of the I'LL ASK MANAGEMENT. Take this POS right now, and in 5 to 7 years we can start this song all over again. And it goes a little something like this........

This is the best we could do right now, so we recomend that you accept this so at the ammendable date we can "TRY" to negotiate a better deal. But ultimately we will accept what managent at your company wants you to have because we agree with them. And we get possitive space travel.We all know the rest.

 

[roadtrip]

"I can't answer for you what is fair, I'm not in the business of telling others what is right for their family, that's a private decision."

sorry force have to laugh at your contradiction .. You didn't seem to worried about ones family when you came peddling that B/S pension
that virtually no one will ever get.

YOU had no problem peddling that bk contract . lets see "Live to fight another day".. gee that was only a couple of years ago I know you couldn't have forgotten that speech

so soon.

Oman,
You might wanna add the infamous Quote "The Concession Stand is Closed"

Only 55 days till the voting nails start going into Team 2008 coffin

Can't wait...............