Fleet Service topic IAM 141

[iaminformer]

I was in the courtroom, when you are in chapter 11 the union and employees have very few rights.

The IAM fought the company as did the other unions and all lost.

The Judge's responsibility is to the creditors and company, not employees.

Educate yourself on what occurs when a company files bankruptcy, you will find it favors the companies and creditors, not the employees.

I think (700) RR jr jr responding to me. 700, the IAM pays plenty to GL and DL union reps as we have been 'informed' today. I am almost positive they pay almost as much to attorneys. Your telling me the IAM couldn't have found and paid a knowledgeable attorney to represent IAM members in BK court? As far as I know the AFA was the only union to test the BK laws. The IAM should have laid off a few union reps and put that kitty into lawyers to fight for IAM members rights in BK. But again no nads. Dues over representation. Didnt the IAM start Labor Day, 700? There was a time when Unions fought for what was right not just to gain more dues for their reps to waste.

Stick with me guys I will give you all of the 'informed' information you could ever imagine.

 

[Ramp Rogue]

Guess we're in the Cross Roads in this decision.

After talking to a US employee in Phoenix as a furlough and accepting AWA wages for the last 3 years, HE accepts the contract and likes the wages and overtime. We discussed senority by date of hire and he is good with that as long as he gets 4$ an hour more.

Lith,

Nowhere in the t/a or the cba does it say seniority will be by date of hire. If you have found it in there, or know something that I don't know about it would you please clue me in? I have been promoting DOH for over 25 years, to no avail. We are going to be very sorry if we don't get DOH and we merge with UA, DL, or NW.

 

[700UW]

The IAM had Sharon Levine, the CWA/AFA had Dan Katz.

Apparently you dont understand what bankruptcy is all about.

The judge's only concern is to the creditors and to ensure the company has a viable POR.

Guess you didnt see the courts stopped the FAs at NW from striking cause of the cba abrogation there?

The AFA lost.

Educate yourself.

 

[JoeDirt]

GO BACK TO YOUR M&R THREAD

 

[roabilly]

GO BACK TO YOUR M&R THREAD

Dirt...

The M&R Vote is over...He ain't gettin' paid to go there anymore.

 

[iaminformer]

The IAM had Sharon Levine, the CWA/AFA had Dan Katz.

Apparently you dont understand what bankruptcy is all about.

The judge's only concern is to the creditors and to ensure the company has a viable POR.

Guess you didnt see the courts stopped the FAs at NW from striking cause of the cba abrogation there?

The AFA lost.

Educate yourself.

I have far more education then you could ever dream about on the subject. Which court did it end 700? Did it go as far as it could? No.
Smarten up 700. Quit playing the IAM 'Live for another day to save dues role'. Time to fight. It's why we pay dues.

 

[roadtrip]

Hey guys put 700 on ignore

We have issues here more imprtant than getting distracted from the issues about this lousy contract

Please refer to this web site print copies and bring to work

http://joeypage.com/voteno

Very good information all Fleet Service needs to read Exposes the truth about how bad this TA is for Fleet Service.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Kindly bookmark www.joeypage.com/voteno to make sure you get all the information that is necessary to make an informed decision on the upcoming TA.

There is information on the TA that many will find interesting. Much more info to follow,along with interactive Q & A.

click www.joeypage.com/voteno

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
email: appearances1@aol.com
www.joeypage.com/voteno

 

[giantfan]

giantfan i see you never been in our shoes where we have worked in mainline cities that are outsourced, most of us couldnt transfer due to variety of reasons. I also see you dont have a problem watching your own brothers and sisters sold down the river with no life vest much like what the IAM and company did to the EAST in round 2 of ch11. I guess that granted you have 30 yrs but i must tell you i know one guy who is working in my city had 45 yrs with the airline before we became PIEDMONT. Yet he lost out for his own reasons of collecting thousands of dollars whereas another agent I know retired in 2003 from mainline after we became mainline express and that agent made out like a bandit. So it sounds to me that you dont have an issue with garbage contract like what the outfit put out there now. I am also guessing you dont have a problem with the way the IAM has representing you. Look at UAL for example, theey have profit sharing higher wages to name a couple dont sit there and tell me this outfit and this so called T/A couldnt of been better when it could be a he!! of a lot better. It just surprises me that you dont have a problem with watching your union brothers and sisters being sold down the river and whose to say the company aint going to stay committed to the T/A anyway--especially with the outsourcing?????

Ok robbedagain----
Here we go again. First of all the last 3 out of 4 stations I have worked at have been out-sourced. I know all about out-sourcing. When I saw the writing on the wall I put transfers in and got them. Was it fun moving away from my family and friends? Hell no, but I had a family to feed and too much seniority in this crap airline to leave it. Your 45 year friend, he obviously couldn't move or didn't want to move and I feel for him, OK?
Now getting to this contract...I don't like this contract at all, sh&$ I should be making 25+ an hour with 7 weeks vacation. So don't for a minute think that I don't think this contract could be any better.

I'm just trying to be realistic in the times we are in. And quite frankly I'm sick of making bankruptcy wages. I want something in my hand now. I do NOT believe they will go back to the table again. Both sides have said they won't, I tend to believe them I guess b/c I'm used to be screwed by them. The three main reasons I'm voting for this are:
1. No legal right to strike
2. No looming CIC arbitration decision
3. Last I checked oil is creeping to $120 a barrel and predictions are that it will go higher

Unlike most of you think, I do not feel any joy of seeing any of my "brothers & sisters" getting sold down the river. I'm trying to be a realist. By the way...to all my loving "brothers and sisters" out there, especially the ones in PHL...can you please load the bag---handle out---and short stack when you can ---what a pain in the a$% when those flights come in. So can we start showing the "love" for each other in simple ways first.

Ok...beat me up now...I'm ready, I think! But if you're going to tear into me plz congratulate me on my beloved G-men first. Like my friends Orioleman & Roabilly did! I'm feeling the love 😀

 

[700UW]

Apparently not if you dont know what the Judge's responsiblity in the case is.

Federal Appeals Court.

 

[dexter]

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[Tim Nelson]

I'm just trying to be realistic in the times we are in. And quite frankly I'm sick of making bankruptcy wages. I want something in my hand now. I do NOT believe they will go back to the table again. Both sides have said they won't, I tend to believe them I guess b/c I'm used to be screwed by them. The three main reasons I'm voting for this are:
1. No legal right to strike
2. No looming CIC arbitration decision
3. Last I checked oil is creeping to $120 a barrel and predictions are that it will go higher

How do you explain Continental announcing another 2% pay raise for their rampers this July? Are they in negotiations? Is oil relatively the same for them as US AIRWAYS? Do they have the right to strike? How do you explain United airlines just announcing another 1% pay raise for rampers on Friday? How do you explain our mechanics getting a 30% compensation boost the same day oil hit its intraday high of $112.75? How do you explain Parker proudly announcing a 200% bonus for next year for the bosses?
Stop using the 'oil is high' rhetoric against a fair fleet service contract if you can't explain why the high oil prices didn't prevent the above questions I posed towards you. Until you answer the question, your opinion is 'prejudice' against fleet service and in error.

This contract is inept under any conditions. Further, if you believe Randy's latest lie how US AIRWAYS is going to wait till 2009 then you must have believed his lie in August when he said by letter on August 10, "Your choice will be between accepting the proposed changes now, or waiting for traditional negotiations to resume in 2009." Randy Canale [IAM website, August 10].

He's lied so much he has to bring back lies that we already saw and quote him on.

The truth of the matter is that you must fail to see the realities of the environment. The biggest variable in this environment is merger activity that will pump in up to $25 billion in this industry according to analyst [this year alone]. This Merger activity is the trump card that trumps oil. That is why employees are gaining wages and benefits at other airlines.

These negotiations were being fueled by merger talks. Merger talks are not going away and neither will Hemenway if this is voted down. Hemenway came back even when it was said he wouldn't, and he will keep coming back until it is finally accepted.....he will do this because he has to.

Find out the truth about the industry and this "Wal Mart" contract at: www.joeypage.com/voteno

The only thing this contract has that was fought for and is the best in the industry is positive space travel for Union Bosses.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
email: appearances1@aol.com

 

[perserverance]

To All:
Read all the information you can. The ''joey page'' offers
a side the NC doesn't like to talk about. You have to wonder
why Canale refused to address a members questions and ignore
us, dues paying members supporting the $100,000 ++ cub.

Information please read

Continue to click on and ''bookmark'' for updates. We need to send a message.The Concession Stand will be under New Representation in June. Talk to you then.
If you need to reach us were where the current represenitives aren't, in the work place.
Til then were CLOSED.

To those of you like me alittle computer slow....to bookmark something 1. open link
2. Right click on mouse and click ''add bookmark''. This will put that subject page
under your Bookmarks at the top of the screen. Now to open that page you can simply
click Bookmarks and under that click on ''joey page''

Thanks

 

[robbedagain]

giantfan, i have to believe that now given the fact that DL and NW have agreed to merge, if the Fleet turns down the pos t/a, i think they will come out with a better deal. Al i got to say is look at UA fleet contract and they are getting raises; CO a non union, and SWA heavily union, are making a lot more than Fleet at US. Why is it that mechanics get 10% across the board yet fleet cant get that? "Y does Fleet only labor group to continue to have the stupid 60 day rule when it shouldnt even be there? Y does M/R have a no furlough deal with their contract and Fleet dont? I dont even trust the mgmt let alone IAM clowns to say "we are not coming to the table if this is turned down. I believe the company needs Fleet to ratify this now just so they can merge yet if this is turned down I think that will force the company and IAM to get a better agreement. Also y does all other labor groups get profit sharing and fleet doesnt??? Dont tell me they could have come up with a better T/A because we all know they can

 

[Tim Nelson]

giantfan, i have to believe that now given the fact that DL and NW have agreed to merge, if the Fleet turns down the pos t/a, i think they will come out with a better deal. Al i got to say is look at UA fleet contract and they are getting raises; CO a non union, and SWA heavily union, are making a lot more than Fleet at US. Why is it that mechanics get 10% across the board yet fleet cant get that? "Y does Fleet only labor group to continue to have the stupid 60 day rule when it shouldnt even be there? Y does M/R have a no furlough deal with their contract and Fleet dont? I dont even trust the mgmt let alone IAM clowns to say "we are not coming to the table if this is turned down. I believe the company needs Fleet to ratify this now just so they can merge yet if this is turned down I think that will force the company and IAM to get a better agreement. Also y does all other labor groups get profit sharing and fleet doesnt??? Dont tell me they could have come up with a better T/A because we all know they can

If fleet service holds its cards in its hands, it will force Hemenway to play some more. The DL/NW puts more pressure on US to play its hand. The reason why hemenway gave the mechanics a 10% across the board and only gave fleet between 2%-8.5% is because fleet has never finished the race for a fair agreement. Fleet has historically bailed off the horse before the finish line. I think times are changing and as this merger activity accelerates this month, many eyes will be opened to see that this agreement is the "Wal mart" of union contracts.

The following site: www.joeypage.com/voteno will be providing updates often with new information and intercepted letters. Bookmark it and check it for all the information you need to make an informed decision regarding Hemenway's latest rag that completely and utterly disrespects fleet service.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
email: appearances1@aol.com