Fleet Service topic IAM 141

[pjirish317]

As far as Im concerned here and, for anyone who plans on voting no its my money your gambling with here

Fuzz,

How exactly is it your money. I believe that it is all of Fleets money, not just yours, nad all of Fleet will decide. I am a big NO vote. Everybody will vote according to his/her own personal feelings/situation. But to arbitrarily say its "your money" is just laughable. I will not try to tell you how to vote, or try to convince you to vote one way or the other, vote how you want to, I am. Your money, HA, how about our money. BTW, since you work in a class II station, you will not see all of "your money" untill mid Jan 09. Think about that all class II and west stations. Mid jan 09 at least to be at or above $19.00.

 

[freedom]

And so it’s begun ..

Look everyone , we’re starting to come unglued … I want everyone to take a good long look at our work force . This is what will happen when you have one side making decent and or survivable wages and the other side living in almost absolute poverty .

This is by far my strongest argument for you EAST coast guys on WHY you should vote yes … We settle this TA , we merge , then we start with a NEW transitional agreement all over again . As lousy as this TA is now , it’s better than going into this with united as we are now …. Disorganized and DESPERATE .

Unify the class two cities , BRING the west up to your pay , give yourself a PAY RAISE!




Let me try explaining to those of you out there , why this contract is just so damn awful and why it’s the best your going to get .

Imagine if you will that you’re the company man and your sitting down at the table with our union . If your worth your salt then you’ve done your research and you know the general feel of their workers , and yes you will have been reading the fleet service thread as much if not more than the workers themselves .. when your sitting down across from Randy canle , you know he and his NC committee have almost no support among his workers , in fact you believe that they hate him MORE than they hate you or doug parker. Heck at this point I’d be rubbing my hands in glee , just think a work force that hates the people leading it .. also as the company point man , I also know that your precious change of control is worth jack , we know how we will structure the next merger and it won’t trigger it , rest assured of that .

Working at CHQ I also know what kind of support fleet service has among it’s own members , and let me tell you , a protest of 30 people outside my window in no way causes me to shake in my boots , in fact I’m looking over the turnover rate at our company for fleet service and it’s clear to me that in this job , people come and they go … not to mention from reading the fleet service threads I might get the feel that a lot of their workers just don’t care …

And VIOLA that’s how you arrive at the TA we have today ….

Don’t blame our NC , blame yourselves , but you don’t want to , anyone but yourself right ? Will it take a NEW NC to make you realize that this is our own doing and not someone else’s ?

The only time there’s ever any fight in you is AFTER a TA comes out , and then I wouldn’t call it so much fighting as I would bitching .

YOU FIGHT BEFORE THE TA COMES OUT!!! NOT AFTER!!!!!

To those of you who have fought , and who do fight , I want to thank you for your efforts .

 

[Tim Nelson]

Yes and in a month ot two they may come thru and just shut down a few stations and say we cant affford this pay raise. Since they have no protection like this agreement has for us.
I dont care what CO or WN or any of them do. They have different cost structures and many other factors involved. You cant compair apples to oranges.

Interesting, let's see, we can't compare ramp rats here with other ramp rats at other airlines since we have the cuties. And we can't compare the ramp rat TA with the TA just ratified on the property with the mechanics because that is apples and oranges also. Guess we can't compare this TA to the 200% bonus plan for next year either. Guess we just better believe Canale when he pulled out his quote from September which said, "Your choice is between this TA or waiting till 2009". We exposed that lie and we will expose this one. Mergers is the trump card in this industry and that is what is fueling these negotiations. Hemenway came back 7 times even though him and Canale said they would wait till 2009. Bottom line is he has to get this deal signed. Bottom line, and he's banking on fleet service not finishing the race.

Newly put out: Tentative Agreement Summary Sheet
Copy, Post, circulate everywhere


Information Headquarters for Tenative Agreement

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[Henderfuzz]

Fuzz,

How exactly is it your money. I believe that it is all of Fleets money, not just yours, nad all of Fleet will decide. I am a big NO vote. Everybody will vote according to his/her own personal feelings/situation. But to arbitrarily say its "your money" is just laughable. I will not try to tell you how to vote, or try to convince you to vote one way or the other, vote how you want to, I am. Your money, HA, how about our money. BTW, since you work in a class II station, you will not see all of "your money" untill mid Jan 09. Think about that all class II and west stations. Mid jan 09 at least to be at or above $19.00.

Having to wait another 6 months for the full amount is sure better than waiting another 3 years.
Especially since Ive been at this suck wage for nearly 4 years. Again if your in a class 1 you need to walk in our shoes for a while see how the other lowly half lives my friend.

 

[roadtrip]

Just looked over the Summary and will print these up and pass them out to all my co workersSummary on the Contract


Great Breakdown Thanks for all the information helps people see why you need to Vote NO on this POS

 

[freedom]

Question for everyone who says send it back , they will offer something better ...

What will you do if they don't ?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Having to wait another 6 months for the full amount is sure better than waiting another 3 years.
Especially since Ive been at this suck wage for nearly 4 years. Again if your in a class 1 you need to walk in our shoes for a while see how the other lowly half lives my friend.

You sign this contract now and you are hosing everyone for the next 10 years. Please understand the single biggest variable in the industry "MERGERS" and it is fueling all these Labor talks. How will you feel making $19, worst vacation in the industry, worst sick time, etc., and working for United who will love to keep you at your substandard wages as its own are making much much more and enjoying better benefits? Where have we seen this before? Dude, you have already seen the movie. The same thing you are trying to get us all into is exactly where the America West people are right now. You and all of us would be the equivalent of the current situation at US West. No way in hell does United move you up to scale if you have a contract that 'socks it to you' till 2011. I doubt you will enjoy making considerably less than others in the same company. I got news for you, your company isn't going to look the same in 6 months!

I told you all about this United/US AIRWAYS merger. Some of you just aren't listening.

OK, it's already starting to happen, just a minute ago from the financial times,

"People familiar with the carrier said Continental has had preliminary discussions with United and American. United in turn is considering its own options in consolidation, including a combination with US Airways, the people said.

"Our preference has been to remain independent as long as the competitive landscape remained the same," Larry Kellner, Continental's chief executive, said. "However, the landscape is changing."

US Airways, the smallest US legacy carrier, may be an inexpensive alternative for United or American, industry executives said. The cost savings either larger airline could achieve through the purchase may easily exceed US Airways' market capitalisation of less than $1bn, they said.


Fuzz, what aren't you understanding about why Hemenway wants you to have a pathetic contract? Why aren't you convinced that Hemenway DOES have to come back? I told you we had 6 upper brass come in to ORD two weeks ago. I told you that Tilton and Parker met twice. Look for US AIRWAYS to be gobbled up by United or American although I believe united. Also look for you to stay under your current contract until 2015 if you pass it.

here's the full Financial Times article: Click Here

Regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
email: appearances1@aol.com

 

[cltrat]

let's see today myself and some friends have been call ,lets see fakes, band of merry men and part of a cult and probably a few other things I have missed we must be a burr under cheap suites saddle ...lol

urbff or shocker or whoever you are if I said what I really thought about you I'd get thrown off of here suffice to say I believe your relationship with Randy to be something that when I think about it makes my stomach roll

wheels up you are not much better anyone who admits in a public forum to believing the all the Bosses koolaid has zero credibility when he says jump do you say How high Boss?

what I do know is CLT was not represented on the NC because our rep refuse to dance to the crooked bosses song as a result he and the Pitt rep were removed so the boss could try to shove this rag down our throat

 

[700UW]

Funny all the news sources say CO and UA will Merge, not US.

CO and UA Ready to Merge

 

[giantfan]

Mergers is the trump card in this industry and that is what is fueling these negotiations

I can't help but thinking how this sounds so remniscent of the "our surefire win of this CIC decision is fueling these negotiations, so vote NO" propaganda back in September. That's not an exact quote but certainly the exact idea that was conveyed.

Again Tim....with no malacious intent at all......what is your motive and why are you so hellbent on "protecting us"? What are you gaining on a personal level with all of this? If you say, nothing...I won't believe you. You have put way too much time and energy into this.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Funny all the news sources say CO and UA will Merge, not US.

CO and UA Ready to Merge

700, Continental's option it is pursuing is United. That's true. However, as the Financial times correctly points out, United is pursuing it's own options which includes acquiring US AIRWAYS. Then the article mentions either American or United gobbling up US AIRWAYS.

My point is that the biggest variable in the industry is MERGERS and it is fueling labor talks.

US AIRWAYS A Target of American or United?

Newly posted: Tentative Agreement Summary Sheet
All fleet service should read this and copy, post, circulate it everywhere.

regards,

Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
email: appearances1@aol.com

 

[orioleman]

wheels up ,
"Oman tried to convince us to go with the IBEW and that blew up in his face."

Couldn't agree with more on that statement .. Unfortunately thats why we are where we are right now. Funny the man that was supportive in our cause for the IBEW is

now looking like he will be in PA Senate. Would have been nice to have that political clout in our corner. But unfortunately we are stuck with a substandard NC committee and

a company kiss a&& cheif neg.

 

[Henderfuzz]

You sign this contract now and you are hosing everyone for the next 10 years. Please understand the single biggest variable in the industry "MERGERS" and it is fueling all these Labor talks. How will you feel making $19, worst vacation in the industry, worst sick time, etc., and working for United who will love to keep you at your substandard wages as its own are making much much more and enjoying better benefits? Where have we seen this before? Dude, you have already seen the movie. The same thing you are trying to get us all into is exactly where the America West people are right now. You and all of us would be the equivalent of the current situation at US West. No way in hell does United move you up to scale if you have a contract that 'socks it to you' till 2011. I doubt you will enjoy making considerably less than others in the same company. I got news for you, your company isn't going to look the same in 6 months!

I told you all about this United/US AIRWAYS merger. Some of you just aren't listening.

OK, it's already starting to happen, just a minute ago from the financial times,

"People familiar with the carrier said Continental has had preliminary discussions with United and American. United in turn is considering its own options in consolidation, including a combination with US Airways, the people said.

"Our preference has been to remain independent as long as the competitive landscape remained the same," Larry Kellner, Continental's chief executive, said. "However, the landscape is changing."

US Airways, the smallest US legacy carrier, may be an inexpensive alternative for United or American, industry executives said. The cost savings either larger airline could achieve through the purchase may easily exceed US Airways' market capitalisation of less than $1bn, they said.


Fuzz, what aren't you understanding about why Hemenway wants you to have a pathetic contract? Why aren't you convinced that Hemenway DOES have to come back? I told you we had 6 upper brass come in to ORD two weeks ago. I told you that Tilton and Parker met twice. Look for US AIRWAYS to be gobbled up by United or American although I believe united. Also look for you to stay under your current contract until 2015 if you pass it.

here's the full Financial Times article: Click Here

Regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
email: appearances1@aol.com

Well for me and for what we do 19.00 per hour (which will be 19.38 when I get my full amount) is pretty darn good money. The flexablity we have in our work is second to non for most who make that kind of money. Im just not willing to go thru another 3 years of fighting and watching my west counter parts suffer thru what should have been an easy transition. The longer we talk the more money we loose everyday and the company just makes more and more.
I really believe they love this fight we seem to have over a few freaking dollars.
In fact Im willing to think they are hopping we turn it down again so they as a company can move foward without us. Look they really dont need us in a merger and in fact it will be much eaiser to get rid of us if we our not unified under one deal.
So go ahead do what you have to do, I know I will, and pray that many will see it this way also.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I can't help but thinking how this sounds so remniscent of the "our surefire win of this CIC decision is fueling these negotiations, so vote NO" propaganda back in September. That's not an exact quote but certainly the exact idea that was conveyed.

Again Tim....with no malacious intent at all......what is your motive and why are you so hellbent on "protecting us"? What are you gaining on a personal level with all of this? If you say, nothing...I won't believe you. You have put way too much time and energy into this.

My interest are within the US ramp. Are you not used to a Local Chairman who has convictions against the injustices of corporate greed? Perhaps I'm a bit too passionate about this but I'll be damn if I'm going to let our District leadership try to hose us over like this. Is that such a hard thing to understand? Do you think everyone needs money to stand up for what they believe in?

I could have tried putting myself on the New Direction ticket or asked Rich Delaney for something but I didn't ask them for anything. I just told them I would be honored to support them and that it was the right thing to do. I'll give Rich credit for changing my opinion on the IAM. He convinced me that enough 'good people' were interested in putting the New Direction team together and that he would like my help. After hearing all the strong Labor leaders within the IAM who chose to stand up against Canale [Mike Klemm, Local Prez New York, Greg Brown, Local Prez SFO, Eric Steinberg, Local Prez Chicago, Dave "Diehard" Atkinson, Local Prez Den, The incredible Laura Stone, VP 141, Big Dog from HNL who is the Greivance Chair, among others, including the solid candidates from US AIRWAYS and of course King Richard.

That's a worthy lineup to support! I'm not the only one. Many support this team and have spent their own personal time and not paid a dime. It's a worthy cause just like voting this rag down is a worthy cause. Is that hard for you to understand? It's hard for my wife to understand because it does take away time but I've been married 23 years and she knows my passions.
Nuff talk about me.

Tentative Agreement Summary Sheet

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[roadtrip]

Here is what I found intresting

FT.com quote
People familiar with the carrier said Continental has had preliminary discussions with United and American. United in turn is considering its own options in consolidation, including a combination with US Airways, the people said.

"Our preference has been to remain independent as long as the competitive landscape remained the same," Larry Kellner, Continental's chief executive, said. "However, the landscape is changing."

US Airways, the smallest US legacy carrier, may be an inexpensive alternative for United or American, industry executives said. The cost savings either larger airline could achieve through the purchase may easily exceed US Airways' market capitalisation of less than $1bn, they said. "Consolidation is but one of the changes necessary to achieve sustained profitability and we have been fully supportive," Glenn Tilton, United's chief executive, said in a message to employees.

End quote

IMO Heminway has gotta be looking for farm equipment to plow under 19 cities .

We saw this happen to PSA and its going to happen again!

We saw this happen to Piedmont and its going to happen again!

Will it be BOHICA again? Vote yes and see what happens so give up your protection for 30 pieces of silver you will be outta of a job before to long!

We easties have seen it and lived it History does repeat itself