GIFTS FROM THE COMPANY?

[700UW]

Lets see 99% of the textile plants are non-union, yet they were shutdown and moved overseas.

Eaton Transmissions non-union plant closed move to China.

Unions are only 13% of the workforce the minority.

You are so out of touch with reality it is simply amazing.

If it was not for unions do you think non-union employees would be compensated as they are?

Have vacations?

Sick days?

Health Insurance?

I guess you were absent the day in school when they covered child labor laws and who pushed to get them enacted?

Were you out the day when they taught you about safety in the workplace?

Most of all laws on the books that protect employees were enacted because of unions.

Your blind hatred of organized labor really clouds your judgement.

Amazing how everything you claim is the 100% exact opposite of reality.

 

[JAXPax]

Take my word for it, there are lots of "Perks" in the Airline business that are not found many other places. The first one that comes to mind is Shift Swaps. At my new place of employment, there is no such thing...If you are scheduled to work, you do Period..No 3 day weekends, no AM to PM trades...NADA..Nothing. If you leave early, you can bet that you will be punching the clock early and losing the pay for it. There have been many times where it is slow for a short time, and we are instructed to take a 1/2 hour break..OFF THE CLOCK!!! I am one who took all of the perks for granted as well, until they were gone that is. Enjoy and appreciate what you have, believe me...

Where I work, the hourly employees basically have schedules that are assigned by me. They fill out preference sheets, which are awarded by seniority. We're a 24/7 operation with about 130 hourly employees. Overnights are most senior, and after that the Monday thru Thursday (4/3) during daytime. Second half of the list has to work weekends. (They have options to work 4/3 or 5/2 for full-time). No union. Time off for any reason unless you have paid time off available is with a penalty. 0.25 attendance points for each 2 hours of work missed (or portion thereof). At 12 points, you're fired. People still manage to call out 12 times with no medical reason in a 2 month period and get themselves fired, then complain we're "too strict." I think even for a non-union environment, we are very lenient. People can leave early, they'll just get points and their pay will be docked. Where else can you just leave work halfway through your shift with no notice and not get fired? Yet people still complain....

Edited to add: Though when it gets slow, people can be sent home (though I at least solicit volunteers first) without pay... sometimes against their will. But, they also know this going into the job.

 

[calibrator]

Lets see 99% of the textile plants are non-union, yet they were shutdown and moved overseas.

Eaton Transmissions non-union plant closed move to China.

Unions are only 13% of the workforce the minority.

You are so out of touch with reality it is simply amazing.

If it was not for unions do you think non-union employees would be compensated as they are?

Have vacations?

Sick days?

Health Insurance?

I guess you were absent the day in school when they covered child labor laws and who pushed to get them enacted?

Were you out the day when they taught you about safety in the workplace?

Most of all laws on the books that protect employees were enacted because of unions.

Your blind hatred of organized labor really clouds your judgement.

Amazing how everything you claim is the 100% exact opposite of reality.

I have worked over the last 35 plus years it has been 50% unions and 50% non-union. In every union place of employment that I have worked there was strife and dissension with union "bosses" telling you what is going and what is not going to happen. Most of those places are now history, two were represented by the IAM. The other nonunion places were not paradise but you didn't have to worry about bubba the union boss giving you his mouthy world view of what was allowed and what was not. If you have the personality that can put up with military like rules, then I guess you should seek a place that has union representation, if not, steer clear and wide of unions and their blowhard leaders, called Stewards and AGC's or ICE holes or whatever.

The world is changing faster than anyone can imagine and unions are doing nothing to stem the harm done to the working class and in fact like I stated in another post, unions are actually accelerating the working man’s decline with old ways trying to fit into this new world order of Globalization where labor costs are approaching pennies instead of dollars per an hour. The unions have built in inefficiencies and why corporate America hates unions and are doing everything in their power to rid themselves of them. Corporate America has plenty of power to rid themselves of unions as evidenced by all the PLANT CLOSINGS that are never ending. Unions supported a few blowhards who are trying to make the masses believe they need them. When the few people still supporting unions wake up, then unions will go away completely and as we all can see, that is happening right now at a very fast pace. People who back unions are desperate and confused, just look what you're reading posted by these types on these boards trying to persuade you into their twisted distorted world view which is a illusion of what's really out there.

 

[700UW]

There you go again, insulting and calling names. I guess you don't realize how immature it makes you look and you lose any credibility you might have had.

You really should seek some help for all the hatred you have.

If it was not for unions all workers would be slaves once again.

People lost their lives to have the right to be in a union and collectively bargain.

 

[delldude]

oh dear....its those evil voices again... :blink:

just look what you're reading posted by these types on these boards trying to persuade you into their twisted distorted world view which is a illusion of what's really out there.

 

[calibrator]

There you go again,

Ronald Regan you're not 😛


With your debased past of postings and rants this is very funny.

700, unions will not solve the working man’s problems, they will only be saved by the individual themselves. It's what God gave each of us a will and brains for. Unions are no longer relevant, all you need to do is open your closed mind to see what’s happening all around you. You won't admit it publicly but you damn well know I am right. Plant after Plant closings, benefit cuts, wages cuts, millions of union jobs gone completely out of this country and yet you still rant that unions are necessary

Unions are doing absolutely nothing for the working man except making him a nervous wreck wondering when it's his turn.

You need to get shock therapy my friend before it's permanent damage.

 

[Paul]

Get this topic back on track, or it goes. This was not started as yet another union/non-union topic. There are a plethora of IBT/IAM/AMFA etc… topics to post these views.

 

[700UW]

More non-union jobs have been sent offshore then union.

But you are not one for letting the facts get in your way of one of your rants.

And unions are very relevant these days more union households on a percentage basis get out to vote then non-union.

And more unionized workers earn more and are more productive then their non-union counterparts.

So how can you be so wrong about GE when I proved how highly unionized it is?

And you still neglected to say anything about WN since they are the highest percentage of unionized employees, they are the highest paid and most profitable airline over the past 30 years.

How can you be so wrong once again?

Glad to see keep up your MO of insulting and get debate someone using intelligence.

 

[calibrator]

More non-union jobs have been sent offshore then union.

But you are not one for letting the facts get in your way of one of your rants.

And unions are very relevant these days more union households on a percentage basis get out to vote then non-union.

And more unionized workers earn more and are more productive then their non-union counterparts.

So how can you be so wrong about GE when I proved how highly unionized it is?

And you still neglected to say anything about WN since they are the highest percentage of unionized employees, they are the highest paid and most profitable airline over the past 30 years.

How can you be so wrong once again?

Glad to see keep up your MO of insulting and get debate someone using intelligence.

First to Paul the mod man...I heard you and you are correct so this is my LAST response to 700 here.

SW is you poster child but I can point 1000 fold the other end, you know it too.

Relevant for what? Posting classifies on their website which "were once" jobs owned by their membership now non-union. Is this the function of a union, the one you worship? Want proof: http://www.pal1976.org/

Unions are more productive, NO way and that’s why at GE where I work is the MOST productive NON UNION plant they own. THIER WORDS, not mine. If and when the union plants become a liability, they too will join the LONG list of losses that unions have incurred over the years. Anti union I am not, realist I am and where we differ.


Back to Topic

 

[700UW]

Show us proof, not your postings of someone told you.

Funny your posts rifle with anti-union.

And GE is one of the most highly unionized companies, can you not read what factual information I have posted about them?

Keep trying.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

700UW...........as you said previously:

People lost their lives to have the right to be in a union and collectively bargain.

People have also lost their lives to be free, to have a choice and collectively disband an organized party.

And back to the beginning of this topic..........gifts are just that, gifts. Not a thing to be expected. When you have an "agreement" that tends to stop the "gifts" and if they are set in stone (contract), then they really aren't gifts, are they??

 

[calibrator]

700UW...........as you said previously:

People lost their lives to have the right to be in a union and collectively bargain.

People have also lost their lives to be free, to have a choice and collectively disband an organized party.

And back to the beginning of this topic..........gifts are just that, gifts. Not a thing to be expected. When you have an "agreement" that tends to stop the "gifts" and if they are set in stone (contract), then they really aren't gifts, are they??

THANK YOU

 

[AIRWOMAN]

THANK YOU

You're very welcome.

And one more old saying.........don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

😀