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Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

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WorldTraveler said:
I appreciate your perspective, dawg.I think you said more positive in that one post than I have read in many others.Yes, I get the contest of wills that goes on between people on this board.I have "a role" that incites debate and I know full well that it results in responses to the opposite extreme.I talk about numbers because they are publicly available and they also pretty much do show DL in a pretty positive light... DL is a very well run company.doesn't mean that others aren't... but there are some major philosophical differences of how an airline should be run for the long-term. A lot of people see an AA-DL debate and that is true... but AA is making decisions and strategic plans based on a very different model than DL.TO be fair, DL had a major soul-searching about how to run its business even before BK; BK was just an opportunity to execute on the plans DL had in place. Finances and operational changes were part of it.... but so was a recognition that DL had lost its employee culture which was far stronger when I was hired.. .and I suspect when you were as well.I have repeatedly said that DL runs a good business in part because employee job security is a huge motivator to do a good job and a huge distraction when it isn't there. WN has done a very good job of protecting its employees from that noise. DL put its employees thru it for half of the time between deregulation and BK.the industry as a whole and the economy overall are not kind to employees of any company any more. You only have to look at discussions on this board that have nothing to do with DL to realize that there are a lot of people who would be happy for just QOL improvements.and while you and Kev say you would trade pay or profit sharing (or some of it) for QOL increases, the vast majorit of people will not. DL knows full well that in a capitalist society, things have to be pretty bad before most people give up pursuit of wealth. The simply reality is that most DL people and most Americans would NOT trade pay or profit sharing for QOL but they sure do want both of them. QOL at DL is just not that bad compared to the industry overall or many other 24/7 businesses.I appreciate your perspective and what you have contributed to DL... the legacy that is DL didn't start or stop at one point in time which means that the ribbon goes way back and includes a lot of people - some of whom are still there but others who have come and gone.I, and they, are not as removed from the DL reality as you might want to believe.

Please tell me how you know that the majority of people would not forgo PS ! What give you the right to speak for them ? You left ( or had to leave? ) the company you so loved !
 
Kev3188 said:
Unfortunately, a lot of people have quit coming to this board (and website) because of the actions of a few.If you want it to change, surely you have some ideas on what you want to see. I'd like to hear them.As for labor discussions, it's the same pattern you see on other social media sites, just with less people. A couple ardently pro-labor people, a couple anti, and the inevitable conflict ensues. Like it or not, IMO, our workplace is just as fractious.
How 'bout we start with the OP adhering to his very first post!
 
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ZERO is the added value that other airline employees have gained in increased competition compared to their DL peers.
 
WorldTraveler said:
ZERO is the added value that other airline employees have gained in increased competition compared to their DL peers.
You make absolutely no sense.
 
no, it does make sense.

if you can show us what union airline employees in the past year have received greater increase in compensation, plz let us know.
 
there is nothing factually wrong with the poster.

What is factually wrong is that any union can add economic value above what DL employees have received without a union.
 
WorldTraveler said:
no, it does make sense.if you can show us what union airline employees in the past year have received greater increase in compensation, plz let us know.
Apparently you can't comprehend what you wrote, let's see if you can figure it out.
 
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