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it your posts that makes it look like dl can do no wrong
Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.
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Kev3188
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It is indeed over 2 years old, and his words are as accurate as ever...WorldTraveler said:
Sure would've been nice to be able to take this look back and see how things had changed for the better. Maybe in 2017 or so.
...Or not...
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WN gets a 9% 401K match?700UW said:
ugh.
higher pay raise when you are making less is winning to you? So Ill give you a dollar but give you a 50 cent raise (so 50%)WorldTraveler said:
Kev gets 100 bucks and no raise.
Who wants the WT deal?
Who wants the Kev deal?
If it wasn't for the NWA IAM Delta would have 17 ramp station..........WorldTraveler said:
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no one is arguing as to where DL or WN started from.
the difference is that AA, DL, and UA all passed thru basically the same phase. WN did not.
There is no doubt that WN employees make more right now.
DL is doing more to increase compensation for its employees.
the difference is that AA, DL, and UA all passed thru basically the same phase. WN did not.
There is no doubt that WN employees make more right now.
DL is doing more to increase compensation for its employees.
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Pre Merger Ramp Stations
Common Stations
NW 1. ATL DL 1. ATL
2. BOS 2. BOS
3. LAX 3. LAX
4. LGA 4. LGA
5. EWR 5. EWR
6. JFK 6. JFK
7. MCO 7. MCO
8. MSY 8. MSY
9. FLL 9. FLL
10. TPA 10.TPA
11. HNL 11. HNL
12. DCA 12. DCA
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Exclusive stations
NW 13. MSP DL 13. CVG
14. MEM 14. SJU
15. DTW 15. SLC
16. IND
17. IAD
18. ORD
19. ANC
20. PHX
21. MKE
22. PDX
23. DFW
24. BNA
25. SEA
26. BWI
27. MSN
28. MDW
29. STL
30. MCI
31. CMH
32. DEN
33. RSW
34. GRR
35. PHL
36. GRB
37. SFO
38. FNT
39. IAH
40. LAS
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now, can you produce that list for AA and US stations along with the stations that AA cut in BK.
and do the same thing for UA.
no one doubted that NW had a different ramp staffing philosophy.
That is true about many of the things DL and NW did.. NW didn't believe in domestic AVOD, DL did. etc etc.
DL has retained the stations that NW brought to the table.
The question is what has been done since.
on that count, DL has done a better job of retaining stations than at unionized airlines.
BTW, WN is fighting hard to outsource stations.
and do the same thing for UA.
no one doubted that NW had a different ramp staffing philosophy.
That is true about many of the things DL and NW did.. NW didn't believe in domestic AVOD, DL did. etc etc.
DL has retained the stations that NW brought to the table.
The question is what has been done since.
on that count, DL has done a better job of retaining stations than at unionized airlines.
BTW, WN is fighting hard to outsource stations.
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CH11 US cut ABE MDT DTW ORF RIC (that's to name a few.) Since the merger the IAM has insourced BTW in a large nbr of cities the scope has been enhanced (PMUS) A nbr of cities have already begun workin both AA and US metal in cities I know bec 5 days a week I hand 1 Eagle and 1 Mainline for AA side and 3 US flights On the other hand if your at DL your ramp is not completely dl mainline in some cities parts of the ramp is not dl mainline that's a fact jack. Of course you as a clown would say that about DL doing better than unionize airlines but the fact is and I know its mighty hard for you to grasp is the fact DL can and has told nmbrs of the folks in a nbr of dl cities theyre closing it for one excuse after another so no DL has not done that much better of a job plain n simple
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The combined AA/US has a few less stations then Delta. But the difference is that there are 14000 clerks at both airlines. Delta has 30 to 35% of those workers on Ready reserve and AA has ZERO Ready Reserves. All members at AA have the ability to reach the exact same base rate top pay as I'm at. US is currently on a 12 year progression with no longevity pay and AA is on a 9 year progression. And actually those we hired here in MIA will top out in 6 years because the Airport Minimum put them on the third tier of the scale.Airlinelifer said:
WT seems to act like it's some sort of blessing that Delta direct has more stations then AA. Again does he really think someone cares that they wear a Delta hat or a Swissport hat when they're only being paid $12.00 per hour with no benefits?
I just bought a very nice Ford Tri Motor Airplane model on Amazon with the old American Airways logo on the end like the one hanging in the Smithsonian for $93.00. I bought it because I am proud to work for AA and think I'm compensated OK for what I do.
If I was working for Delta and knew that the best I could do for too many years to count was only $12.00 per hour on call at the whim of the flight schedule, would I have bought a Delta model? Of course not.
That's the difference that WT wants to reflect as hard as he can away from. Not all Union people hate the company they work for. They only hate the company when they feel they are being raped.
Should they maybe move on to something else? Why don't they? Maybe they stay because they HOPE one day it might get better? I wonder if WT could even fathom what it's like to try and support a family on that kind of pay? Does he even care? I thought he was a man of God who went to other countries to help people? I guess people in this country don't matter to him?
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the number of stations IS a scope issue.
and what you can't admit is that no one at DL has been involuntarily downgraded from FT to RR.
new hires are coming in under the terms of their own employment. They do know what they are being hired into. Your dribble is meaningless because there was never any promise that anyone would ever become a full-time benefitted worker. It might happen but there is no guarantee.
You and others want to think that there is some huge market for creating dissatisfaction in people who agreed to one form of employment.
DL employees don't agree.
And it may well be that there really is a market for short-term, seasonal employment which is exactly what the RR program is... it also is no different from what has existed at years.
The presence of a less permanent level of workers thruout DL's operation is precisely why DL has had fewer layoffs than other network carriers.
oh, and you might want to sit tight on your claims regarding how well AA has protected jobs.... AA WILL shrink its network or it will continue to underperform on revenue.
Parker is holding onto the current network in order to avoid challenging layoffs but the cost is a network that is larger than what AA can generate industry leading revenues.
Parker will have to choose and the chances are far higher that he will choose the revenue optimizing solution at the expense of a bloated workforce.
at that point, you can tout how well AA has done
and what you can't admit is that no one at DL has been involuntarily downgraded from FT to RR.
new hires are coming in under the terms of their own employment. They do know what they are being hired into. Your dribble is meaningless because there was never any promise that anyone would ever become a full-time benefitted worker. It might happen but there is no guarantee.
You and others want to think that there is some huge market for creating dissatisfaction in people who agreed to one form of employment.
DL employees don't agree.
And it may well be that there really is a market for short-term, seasonal employment which is exactly what the RR program is... it also is no different from what has existed at years.
The presence of a less permanent level of workers thruout DL's operation is precisely why DL has had fewer layoffs than other network carriers.
oh, and you might want to sit tight on your claims regarding how well AA has protected jobs.... AA WILL shrink its network or it will continue to underperform on revenue.
Parker is holding onto the current network in order to avoid challenging layoffs but the cost is a network that is larger than what AA can generate industry leading revenues.
Parker will have to choose and the chances are far higher that he will choose the revenue optimizing solution at the expense of a bloated workforce.
at that point, you can tout how well AA has done
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"You and others want to think that there is some huge market for creating dissatisfaction in people who agreed to one form of employment.
DL employees don't agree."
Thank you for setting me straight about how much these Human beings love making $12.00 per hour part time NO benefits and on demand at the whim of the company.
Maybe if I were making so much less I would be just as happy as they are? I guess living that modest lifestyle as Jesus taught is it's own reward?
Hypocrites abound in all facets of society unfortunately. The Lord knows what is truly in a person's black heart and soul and he will be the ultimate judge won't he be.
DL employees don't agree."
Thank you for setting me straight about how much these Human beings love making $12.00 per hour part time NO benefits and on demand at the whim of the company.
Maybe if I were making so much less I would be just as happy as they are? I guess living that modest lifestyle as Jesus taught is it's own reward?
Hypocrites abound in all facets of society unfortunately. The Lord knows what is truly in a person's black heart and soul and he will be the ultimate judge won't he be.
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no, what I set you straight on is that this what they agreed to work for when they were hired.
DL never promised anyone that was hired in a less than full-time capacity that they would be full=time
never.
part of the reason why you and the labor movement keep losing votes is because DL hasn't created expectations of something that won't happen.
OTOW we have endless posts about what labor unions will do for DL employees even though the track record for what DL has delivered is far stronger than what unions have on issue after issue.
and you still can't grasp that it is precisely because of the flexibility that DL has built into its workforce that allows it to keep stations open and offer higher levels of profit sharing because there isn't the waste that either increases costs or forces stations to be outsourced.
The DL system is not perfect but it works and DL employees have repeatedly chosen not to leave it for promises that don't get delivered.
DL never promised anyone that was hired in a less than full-time capacity that they would be full=time
never.
part of the reason why you and the labor movement keep losing votes is because DL hasn't created expectations of something that won't happen.
OTOW we have endless posts about what labor unions will do for DL employees even though the track record for what DL has delivered is far stronger than what unions have on issue after issue.
and you still can't grasp that it is precisely because of the flexibility that DL has built into its workforce that allows it to keep stations open and offer higher levels of profit sharing because there isn't the waste that either increases costs or forces stations to be outsourced.
The DL system is not perfect but it works and DL employees have repeatedly chosen not to leave it for promises that don't get delivered.
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Yes basically a 35% slave labor force and growing so those better items can be generated for those above them.
Sorry if it bothers you that that isn't the way I would like to know why I'm getting the gravy.
That obviously wouldn't bother someone like you I guess? I guess the plight of the poor only bothers you if they're in Brazil?
Sorry if it bothers you that that isn't the way I would like to know why I'm getting the gravy.
That obviously wouldn't bother someone like you I guess? I guess the plight of the poor only bothers you if they're in Brazil?
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no one is a slave at DL or any other airline in the US.
You can't accept that there is a market for employees who are willing to work for what is paid.
It is no different from any other company pays or offer... you just happen to draw a line where you want to and do it at DL because they are non-union.
your lack of understanding of the free market system is stunning.
and it is nothing short of hypocritical for you or Kev or any other topped out employee to be whining about the system that has allowed you to make far more than those who are below you, even as FT employees.
If you want fair, then let's eliminate all of those steps in pay and the increase in vacation and benefits that comes with seniority.
I know you won't so don't try to act like a hero when you benefit handsomely from the system that you call so bad.
You can't accept that there is a market for employees who are willing to work for what is paid.
It is no different from any other company pays or offer... you just happen to draw a line where you want to and do it at DL because they are non-union.
your lack of understanding of the free market system is stunning.
and it is nothing short of hypocritical for you or Kev or any other topped out employee to be whining about the system that has allowed you to make far more than those who are below you, even as FT employees.
If you want fair, then let's eliminate all of those steps in pay and the increase in vacation and benefits that comes with seniority.
I know you won't so don't try to act like a hero when you benefit handsomely from the system that you call so bad.
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