Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[700UW]

He must think this is the first time the IAM has ever tried to organize an airline employee, the IAM knows what is and isnt allowed when it comes to DL's NRSA and DL employees who are pro-IAM.
 
More lies and misinformation from the non-airline employee and non-union member.
 
But he know what is going on at DL and the FA and ACS organizing campaigns.
 
Gerry must be feeding him things to post.

 

[737823]

He must think this is the first time the IAM has ever tried to organize an airline employee, the IAM knows what is and isnt allowed when it comes to DL's NRSA and DL employees who are pro-IAM.
 
More lies and misinformation from the non-airline employee and non-union member.
 
But he know what is going on at DL and the FA and ACS organizing campaigns.
 
Gerry must be feeding him things to post.

 
Who is Gerry?  No one is feeding me anything.
 
Josh

 

[topDawg]

there is nothing to improve about pass privileges at DL compared to their peers.

okay. Fluff
 

DL and the rest of airlines don't want to negotiate anything.... they have just convinced the

They don't negotiate because 
1) no union will waste time and more importantly money (both capital to use in negotiations as well as place a monetary value on pass privileges which would then be used in the contract.)
2) If the company were to use this as part of CBA talks they would have many different pass plans (more than likely) as well as they wouldn't have nearly the control over it as they have now. (example, If Delta decides tomorrow to not allow NRSA in C class on international flights they can do so. They would lose that ability if Delta's pass plan was in a CBA)   
 

DGS is a wholly owned subsidiary of DL, you do realize? DCI carriers contract for DL service, you know?

Do you just post s**t then don't read it? I mean You say one thing, someone post a fact to prove your wrong then you just toss more s**t against the wall. You said, "The IRS does not allow any airline to give pass benefits to non-employees"
SkyWest employees do NOT work for Delta Air Lines.
DGS employees do NOT work for Delta Air Lines.
Delta Community credit union employees do NOT work for Delta Air Lines  
 
So again, you are completely 100% totally WRONG. The more you post the more it becomes clear that you have zero idea of what happens at Delta (or any other airline) other than what you read on anet and flyertalk. With a little mix of APC. 

 

DL changed when you could leave your place of work to return to the car... they gave you a privilege before that they revoked.

but that is a PRIVILEGE not a BENEFIT. The same deal as flights privileges. It is not part of the benefit package.  
 

You now have exactly what every union could have negotiated.

really? so you are now saying that a union at Delta couldn't do better or worse than what Delta employees currently have? I would love to see some kind of proof that proves that amazingly stupid point. 
 

Your pass BENEFITS have only increased.

How exactly have my pass privileges increased? 

 

[topDawg]

 
Feel however you want but airlines absolutely push non-rev travel as part of the comprehensive package they offer prospective employees.  I have seen and received offer letters indicating such, and recruiters and other headquarters staff always push this.   Often when airline recruiters contact top talent at banks and strategy consulting firms they justify the substandard compensation with (1) minimal working hours and (2) non-revenue travel. And they often push the lower cost of living and no state income tax (depending on the carrier and location).
 
Never understood the attraction to non-revenue travel, you sit around at the airport, get your seats at the last possible opportunity and are subject to being removed from the flight for a weight restriction or other operational need.  Loads and flight status can change rapidly and any number of flights between two cities could be wide open at one point and full up in only a short period leaving non-revs stranded-even in markets with many flights to fall back on like LAX-DFW or MIA-DFW. Work for a firm that requires business travel, achieve top tier status (or better yet UGS or CK) and be able to travel when, where and how you want-that is unless you want to stay home in the limited time off.  
 
Specific to the DL drive, non-rev privileges are not to be used for business or commercial purposes and if paid "activists" for this "grassroots" campaign are free riding on DL for IAM organizing DL could take action and would be well within their right.  The IAM doesn't have an agreement with DL to furnish travel for union business like the IAM has at carriers they "represent" airline employees.  Unlikely DL would but it would be interesting to watch...
 
Josh

because I can fly ATL-LHR-ATL and back for free. (well minus taxes and the 50 bucks a year) 
 
Or I can pay 13,000 bucks for a last minute walk up fare. 
 
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. 

 
No proof,
 
Josh

then stop posting............. 
 

No attack or anything, just saying it would be interesting to see how it plays out.  Again, the IAM has NO agreement with DL to provide for travel for organizing or union business purposes.
 
I know DL has worked with various charities in the past and extended NRSA privileges to Habitat for Humanity and a film about a disabled Georgia teen, Darius Goes West, among others I'm sure.
 
Josh

yes you are wt jr. You are also tossing s**t against the wall hoping something sticks. 
 
Not only that but you are calling guys like Kev stupid by saying they could be going to IAM events as a NRSA on Delta. Unless you have proof that this is happening it would be nice if you would quit saying crap just to say it. 

 

[Airlinelifer]

Who in the hell started this moronic discussion about pass riding?
 
Oh yea I forgot.............JOSH  did.

 

[737823]

because I can fly ATL-LHR-ATL and back for free. (well minus taxes and the 50 bucks a year) 
 
Or I can pay 13,000 bucks for a last minute walk up fare. 
 
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. 

then stop posting............. 
 

yes you are wt jr. You are also tossing s**t against the wall hoping something sticks. 
 
Not only that but you are calling guys like Kev stupid by saying they could be going to IAM events as a NRSA on Delta. Unless you have proof that this is happening it would be nice if you would quit saying crap just to say it.

Just saying compared to the compensation and benefits people in other industries enjoy free travel is peanuts. College faculty members and their dependent children get tuition remission (which I took full advantage of) along with merit based scholarships and grants worth several hundreds of thousands of dollars (considerably more in pre-tax dollars).

People outside the industry can pay to fly whenever they want and also enjoy full FF benefits on the subject carrier and their partners. Non-revs can't.

Josh

 

[Airlinelifer]

"People outside the industry can pay." Congratulations! Captain Obvious just joined the Admiralty.

 

[737823]

"People outside the industry can pay." Congratulations! Captain Obvious just joined the Admiralty.

...and generally are more able to pay, certainly for management level positions. Everyone can keep acting like the 10% increases for AA management are great and all but when you consider AA L1-4 don't get any profit sharing and are still payed well below their peers at DL or UA (let alone outside the industry) it's pretty bad all around.

Josh

 

[Airlinelifer]

"And generally are more able to pay, certainly for management level positions" << S M A R M Y  ALERT
"College faculty members and their dependent children get tuition remission"
"People outside the industry can pay to fly whenever they want"
"Enjoy full FF benefits on the subject carrier and their partners"
 
Captain Obvious what is your point?
 
Here's one, POTUS flys on Air Force One for free and lives in a big white mansion for free.

 

[robbedagain]

are you real sure non revs cannot join FF?  you may want to retract that bec I know a number of airline employees who have FF with multiple carriers

 

[topDawg]

Just saying compared to the compensation and benefits people in other industries enjoy free travel is peanuts. College faculty members and their dependent children get tuition remission (which I took full advantage of) along with merit based scholarships and grants worth several hundreds of thousands of dollars (considerably more in pre-tax dollars).

Delta also has some of this. They have the Delta scholarship fund as well as sometimes paying for school. (all depends but I know a few people who have had Delta at least help with school) 
 

People outside the industry can pay to fly whenever they want and also enjoy full FF benefits on the subject carrier and their partners. Non-revs can't.

Josh

I can pay to fly as much as I would like. I have done it more than a few times. 
 
but I also have the benefit waking up tomorrow and taking a flight anywhere Delta's network and not having to pay nearly the fare you are if you do the same. Yeah its space available but its pretty rare that I have an issue.  
 
 
oh and also a SkyMiles member FWIW. 

 

[737823]

are you real sure non revs cannot join FF?  you may want to retract that bec I know a number of airline employees who have FF with multiple carriers

Robbed you or any other employee is welcome to join (although some carriers may bar their employees from joining but AA certainly doesn't-in facts participation in AAdvantage encouraged) however you won't earn miles or access to Elite benefits on non-revs tickets.

Josh

 

[topDawg]

Robbed you or any other employee is welcome to join (although some carriers may bar their employees from joining but AA certainly doesn't-in facts participation in AAdvantage encouraged) however you won't earn miles or access to Elite benefits on non-revs tickets.

Josh

that part is true. 
 
but a lot of people who don't live in base end up being FFs because at times you just have to suck it up and pay to fly to the base or fly home. 

 

[Kev3188]

Everyone can keep acting like the 10% increases for AA management are great and all but when you consider AA L1-4 don't get any profit sharing and are still payed well below their peers at DL or UA (let alone outside the industry) it's pretty bad all around.
Josh

I haven't seen anyone here "acting like that's great."

You know what else is great? Staying on topic. This one's about representation for ACS & IFS at DL. Not mgmt., and not AA...

 

[WorldTraveler]

ok, then.

it's Jan 1 2015. (SIX years after the merger was finalized)

when can we expect SOME union - ANY union to file?