Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[topDawg]

And how does "Spectator" feel about this issue?
 
You did create him to give yourself green arrows.

hey 700, do you mind giving a break down of the US ramp scope? (complete subject change.) 
 
I am curious at what it would mean if Delta had the same scope.... 

 

[700UW]

Sure:
 
 

Minimum of seven(7) mainline weekly scheduled jet departures including AA mainline jet departures until joint CBA.
 

 
So if a station has seven mainline flights a week, it is staffed, the review to insource and outsource is done on a yearly basis, so I believe the end of this year you will see more stations brought in-house.
 
http://www.iam141.org/us/docs/USAirwaystermsheet063014.pdf
 
So click on that link and page one has the new scope language, its a PDF so its a pain to copy and paste.

 

[topDawg]

 
Sure:
 
 
 
So if a station has seven mainline flights a week, it is staffed, the review to insource and outsource is done on a yearly basis, so I believe the end of this year you will see more stations brought in-house.
 
http://www.iam141.org/us/docs/USAirwaystermsheet063014.pdf
 
So click on that link and page one has the new scope language, its a PDF so its a pain to copy and paste.
 

Cool thanks. two more quick questions. 
 
What is your top out pay, how many years to get there
and what stations have in-house catering. I know PIT, PHL, DCA and CLT. Where else? (PHX? BWI?) 
 
 
Oh and that is very comparable to the NW scope. The only difference is the NW contract included 76 seat jets into the count.
 
Even with that, at 7 flights about Delta would have to add 15 or so stations (and of course the catering part would be big for a place like ATL)   

 

[700UW]

Im not a ramper, I was utility and stores.
 
Ramp right now is $23 an hour and 12 years to top out.
 
Not sure what other stations have in-house catering, I think LGA did or does, and I also think DCA does.
 
But others on here who are PMUS can better answer that.
 
http://www.iam141.org/docs/US-TA-WageScale.pdf

 

[robbedagain]

dawg   top out rate is 23.00 12 yrs of service as of 9/12/14;   for 09/15 TBD  but 2.1% increase base rate all steps.
 
catering cannot be outsourced in BWI PIT CLT PHL and DCA 
 
also cargo cannot be contracted out in the following stations..  PHX LAS and LAX
 
this is from our current 2014 contract book

 

[737823]

dawg   top out rate is 23.00 12 yrs of service as of 9/12/14;   for 09/15 TBD  but 2.1% increase base rate all steps.
 
catering cannot be outsourced in BWI PIT CLT PHL and DCA 
 
also cargo cannot be contracted out in the following stations..  PHX LAS and LAX
 
this is from our current 2014 contract book

Robbed is BOS no longer a catering station, or is it staffed but can be outsourced?

Josh

 

[topDawg]

dawg   top out rate is 23.00 12 yrs of service as of 9/12/14;   for 09/15 TBD  but 2.1% increase base rate all steps.
 
catering cannot be outsourced in BWI PIT CLT PHL and DCA 
 
also cargo cannot be contracted out in the following stations..  PHX LAS and LAX
 
this is from our current 2014 contract book

so 2 bucks an hour under Delta. 
 
Of course when you factor in Delta's RR cost I can promise US as a group make more than Delta does. 
 
 
(and that WT is why Scope isn't fluff. 25 an hour is great unless your a RR who can't move up making 8 an hour with nothing for than the flights) 

 

[737823]

lets try this this way    the Scope currently at PMUS is now one of the best    It is ALMOST impossible to outsource the ramp in a number of cities   bec the language in it declares that in order to outsource the ramp the company would have to go down to virtually 1 mainline jet a day for 1 yr  
 
also catering in all of our hubs plus some other cities are protected thru the duration of our contract   (and probably beyond)      not to mention our pay is up     
 
on the contrary  what kind of scope does DL have...    ohhh that's right...  none       
 
you have ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE  how the current DL folks feel now regarding union representation     You've only been gone for a decade more or less  so no you have no idea  so save your BS

You keep saying how great the US CBA is but remember this is based on the merger and path to a JCBA, had the DOJ killed the merger (like they should have), no way you have seen those pay rates and scope even on and interim basis. If you or anyone on here doesn't think Parker will play the two unions in the alliance against each other when they eventually negotiate a JCBA you are naive.

As it is both the IAM and TWU are okay sitting on the sidelines while other workgroups make gains and the NMB sorts out the alliance. And under the TWU fleet agreement several AA stations are eligible for outsourcing next year based on changes in flight activity-mainly replacing S80 flying with E175s.

Josh

 

[737823]

so 2 bucks an hour under Delta. 
 
Of course when you factor in Delta's RR cost I can promise US as a group make more than Delta does. 
 
 
(and that WT is why Scope isn't fluff. 25 an hour is great unless your a RR who can't move up making 8 an hour with nothing for than the flights)

I thought DL ready reserve was $10.75 and possibly more depending on location. Why are you saying its $8?

Josh

 

[topDawg]

I thought DL ready reserve was $10.75 and possibly more depending on location. Why are you saying its $8?

Josh

pulled a number out of thin are. 
 
fine 10 an hour
hell 15 an hour
 
it is still going to put Delta's group cost below, well below US's costs. 

 

[robbedagain]

josh  I believe where PMUS has catering and cargo it cannot be outsourced     Yes I keep harping on the current deal  but reality is without the merger we wouldn't be getting this type deal but the merger was imminent following DL UA and WN mergers    When we get a JCBA talks going the IAM has already told us last summer that they will be asking for more gains   
 
Also don't forget too that we have gained insource work with AA metal for some stations since late last yr and for others as well  so yes this is a much more improved deal.   I don't know bout being naïve but I can tell you that there will be more than enough folks on our IAM team in addition to the TWU to see thru   especially in light of the fact of the offer the FAs got  and the one the pilots are voting on.   Not saying it wont happen but if Parker wants a smooth transition to SOC then he is obviously doing what he thinks he has to and to make it as smooth   (DL comes to mind with the pilots during their merger) and not be like UAL.   And this is on top of the fact AA is projected to make huge profits.

 

[737823]

Did anyone see UA is contracting out 28 stations?

Josh

 

[topDawg]

Did anyone see UA is contracting out 28 stations?

Josh

yep. Doesn't mean much for Delta, and probably not for AA. 

 

[southwind]

 and you don't work for the gosh damn company at all. You have ZERO meaning to Delta Air Lines. You are a never was....nothing more.

When's the last time you said this to 700? You do know he post's on this thread, more than WT!
WAIT.....that's right, he gets a pass....even though he's not DL, nor "EVER" has been, he's pro-union!

BTW....when's the vote?

 

[southwind]

Did anyone see UA is contracting out 28 stations?
Josh

You gotta be sh!ttin' me! Where the %&ck is a union when you need one. My bad ...they got one!