Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[737823]

You gotta be sh!ttin' me! Where the %&ck is a union when you need one. My bad ...they got one!

The IAM was an instrumental part in facilitating this outsourcing. They negotiated and pushed the agreement to the membership. Tim Nelson and others tried educating and informing the membership of the dire implications of the membership but AGCs on social media and misleading highlight sheets won people over. Now they are paying a very high price for that.

Of course 700 will blame the membership for voting for it when the reality is the negotiators should have done a better job especially considering UA isn't and wasn't bankruptcy and is posting billion dollar profits.

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

Did anyone see UA is contracting out 28 stations?
Josh

  

See below.

yep. Doesn't mean much for Delta, and probably not for AA.

 

^This^

 

The IAM was an instrumental part in facilitating this outsourcing. They negotiated and pushed the agreement to the membership. Tim Nelson and others tried educating and informing the membership of the dire implications of the membership but AGCs on social media and misleading highlight sheets won people over. Now they are paying a very high price for that.
Of course 700 will blame the membership for voting for it when the reality is the negotiators should have done a better job especially considering UA isn't and wasn't bankruptcy and is posting billion dollar profits.
Josh

See above.

 

[WorldTraveler]

When's the last time you said this to 700? You do know he post's on this thread, more than WT!
WAIT.....that's right, he gets a pass....even though he's not DL, nor "EVER" has been, he's pro-union!

BTW....when's the vote?

 
 Plus 350900

You gotta be sh!ttin' me! Where the %&ck is a union when you need one. My bad ...they got one!

This this

And yet DL has more stations with its own people than either AA or UA..and we aren't even talking about above wing yet

Andvwhen you factor in profit sharing DL ppl will make more than AA in the same workgroup

DL people just say NO

Maybe by '16....2116

 

[737823]

See below. 
^This^
 

See above.

Funny Kev you've said before in this industry "no one exists in vacum" and "what appears in one CBA often shows up in others".

You even said before to Overspeed and others that the UA agreement makes organizing DL even more difficult.

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

 

Funny Kev you've said before in this industry "no one exists in vacum" and "what appears in one CBA often shows up in others".

I sure did; and you can see it in the CBA's that were signed in the late '90's/early '00's.

But that doesn't mean it'll happen at DL. After all, don't we always hear about how it's not like any other carrier?

You even said before to Overspeed and others that the UA agreement makes organizing DL even more difficult.

Josh

Also true. Nothing worthwhile comes easy. What's your point?

 

[737823]

Then why did you reply to Dawgs comment with "^This^" indicating strong agreement with him that the UA deal is of no consequence to AA/DL, when your other post seems to suggest you feel the UA agreement does have implications for other carriers.

Dawg said the same on the Alliance Poll thread on the AA forum and when asked he said he changed his mind. So I guess you two are both inconsistent on your real feelings about the UA agreement and what it means for other carriers.

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

There's no inconsistency on my part; I'm just not willing to buy into your binary thinking. You can agree with what I write or not- that's up to you-but the idea that you're gonna get a "gotcha" here is a waste of bandwidth.

BTW: don't be shocked, but I can read. Littering your posts with who-writes-what-where is unecessary.

 

[737823]

Just like how you have said before you aren't a fan of Roach or Buffy but come on here and defend their actions and missteps. Same with Sito where you say it would be good having people from existing carrier at the top not two former TWA workers who have been out of the industry, for all intents and purposes, for 20+ years as they have made the IAM ther careers.

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

Feel free to show where I've ever specifically "defended" either of those two. Not a fan of one, never really interacted with the other.

Nice try at baiting, though.

 

[700UW]

UA reached a CBA with the IAM BEFORE US did right?

The US scope wasn't effected at all by UA and the US scope is one of the best in the industry.

I guess some people cant read.

So how are the cargo jobs at SLC or the ramp jobs at MEM?

 

[737823]

UA reached a CBA with the IAM BEFORE US did right?The US scope wasn't effected at all by UA and the US scope is one of the best in the industry.I guess some people cant read.So how are the cargo jobs at SLC or the ramp jobs at MEM?

The US scope may be better than UA but again that speaks more to how pathetic the UA agreement is than it does how great you think the interim US agreement is. US would not have obtained the same scope on a standalone basis this is just interim until a JCBA is in place. Now thanks to the IAM at AA's largest competitor they can whittle down more stations. I remember you and Kev criticized the TWU for 17 stations in bankruptcy but not a peep about UA making record profits and protecting only 7 stations.

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

You have a short (or selective) memory.

You sure I haven't mentioned "a peep" about the T/A at UA?

Really sure?

Given your contempt for M/L staffing at line stations, you should be cheering these latest actions at UA.

 

[700UW]

UA was not in good financial shape when they were negotiating, I guess someone forgot they members voted down the first TA.
 
And different negotiators at US than UA.

 

[eolesen]

Having Josh and WT on ignore makes it a lot easier to read this thread.

It's not the union who determines how good or bad a contract will be - it's the negotiators.

There have been some real turd agreements signed and negotiated by ALPA, TWU, IAM, IBT, etc., and then there have been some really brilliant ones that either really screwed management or *gasp* were real symbiotic/realistic agreements which served both parties equally well.

It all boils down to who is at the table, and what their objectives are. Trying to compare the mentality of the workers at US with those at DL seems more than just a bit alarmist.

 

[Kev3188]

 

It's not the union who determines how good or bad a contract will be - it's the negotiators.

Agree 100%. This, of course, is lost on some posters here.

There have been some real turd agreements signed and negotiated by ALPA, TWU, IAM, IBT, etc., and then there have been some really brilliant ones that either really screwed management or *gasp* were real symbiotic/realistic agreements which served both parties equally well.

I truly believe that any CBA crafted at DL will reflect the latter.

It all boils down to who is at the table, and what their objectives are. Trying to compare the mentality of the workers at US with those at DL seems more than just a bit alarmist.

Well, when people are looking to gin up activity/have someone to talk to...