Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.
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Everything.robbedagain said:
Love Betty Sutton! Too bad there aren't more like her out there. Not for nothing, she now oversees the St. Lawrence seaway for the U.S.
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and yet DL mainline has its people at more stations than AA or UA... and let's remember that you and some like to separate the ramp and above wing customer service but DL does not; employees can move between the two areas if they choose to do so via bid.
further, while you note that not all functions are done by DL mainline people even in DL mainline cities, tell is what UA has allowed with its IAM contracts.
and then tell us the number of DCI flights that are worked at multiple cities across DL's network compared to a regional or contract partner. I can absolutely assure you that DL mainline personnel handle more DCI flights and passengers (AW and BW) than UA or AA does in cities where they handle their regional carriers' flights. kinda hard to beat the volume that DL pushes thru ATL, LGA (C and D terminals), JFK, and LAX - all worked by DL personnel.
I have mentioned before that I will only speak concerning the F/A's and how I have been treated for the past 25+ years.robbedagain said:
If I worked below wing, I may feel differently. I'm not walking in their shoes nor are they walking in mine.
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point well taken BABA Good luck with the card drive for ACS and the next steps with FAs
From Jose
Sixty percent?
The Machinists’ Blind Ambition tour of base visits is currently underway and they have been making a lot of noise about their claim that 60% of active Delta employees have signed cards calling for a representational election. There are a few problems with that claim:
It’s not verifiable and it never will be. Besides the Machinists organizers in Washington, only the National Mediation Board will have access to the signed authorization cards. Even if the NMB schedules the representation election, the Board will not release the number of valid cards it received.
The Machinists have been sketchy and dodgy in all of their other campaign complaints and claims. We have no reason to believe they would be any less dishonest with regard to the actual percentage of cards filed.
Their own numbers have shifted. Early numbers from IAM campaigners were that they had cards from 53% of flight attendants, then it was 57% , then it got rounded up to 60%, and finally some IAM staffers were claiming it was 70% “and counting”.
Many flight attendants are reporting that they signed cards under duress, that new hires were approached by Machinists during training and that some IAM table sitters told flight attendants that signing a card just meant you wanted “to receive information about the IAM” and had nothing to do with calling for an election.
Falsely claiming that they are “the majority” without verification through a democratic balloting process is just another falsehood in a long line of IAM lies.
Make no mistake about this: The IAM campaign will continue to perpetuate lies and divisiveness (e.g. 60% against 40%) if they win the election (if it’s even called in the first place). Only now they want you to pay for this “service”. Is this really a good use of $70 per month in dues?
Please share this email with your friends and coworkers.
Sincerely,
Jose Arturo Ibarra
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Sixty percent?
The Machinists’ Blind Ambition tour of base visits is currently underway and they have been making a lot of noise about their claim that 60% of active Delta employees have signed cards calling for a representational election. There are a few problems with that claim:
It’s not verifiable and it never will be. Besides the Machinists organizers in Washington, only the National Mediation Board will have access to the signed authorization cards. Even if the NMB schedules the representation election, the Board will not release the number of valid cards it received.
The Machinists have been sketchy and dodgy in all of their other campaign complaints and claims. We have no reason to believe they would be any less dishonest with regard to the actual percentage of cards filed.
Their own numbers have shifted. Early numbers from IAM campaigners were that they had cards from 53% of flight attendants, then it was 57% , then it got rounded up to 60%, and finally some IAM staffers were claiming it was 70% “and counting”.
Many flight attendants are reporting that they signed cards under duress, that new hires were approached by Machinists during training and that some IAM table sitters told flight attendants that signing a card just meant you wanted “to receive information about the IAM” and had nothing to do with calling for an election.
Falsely claiming that they are “the majority” without verification through a democratic balloting process is just another falsehood in a long line of IAM lies.
Make no mistake about this: The IAM campaign will continue to perpetuate lies and divisiveness (e.g. 60% against 40%) if they win the election (if it’s even called in the first place). Only now they want you to pay for this “service”. Is this really a good use of $70 per month in dues?
Please share this email with your friends and coworkers.
Sincerely,
Jose Arturo Ibarra
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Kev3188
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Baba--
If you look up your description of a "10%'er," Jose's picture will be next to it. He was one of the architect's of PFAA, and IMHO is a megalomaniac. Ask around next time you fly with a Red Tailer. Not someone you want to hitch your wagon to. He may share your desire for a "no" vote, but I suspect his reasons are much much different (and self-serving) than yours.
P.S. Since you're on his mailing list, ask him which union he actually supports.
Just my .02 to take or leave...
If you look up your description of a "10%'er," Jose's picture will be next to it. He was one of the architect's of PFAA, and IMHO is a megalomaniac. Ask around next time you fly with a Red Tailer. Not someone you want to hitch your wagon to. He may share your desire for a "no" vote, but I suspect his reasons are much much different (and self-serving) than yours.
P.S. Since you're on his mailing list, ask him which union he actually supports.
Just my .02 to take or leave...
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Number of flights and number of points are not the same thing.
Oh, and you can't switch back and forth if the ramp's farmed out.
And if it's not? Well, this was a huge selling point during the last election. The company made it sound as if one could move back & forth almost at will. That is absolutely not the case. Possible? Sure. A simple process? Not really.
All DCI handling in ATL/CVG/SEA (and most in SLC) is a great start. Now when can we expect to see the same in DTW/MSP/LGA?
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not sure what "points" you are talking about (locations?)
I did say that DL has taken over way more work for its regional carriers - and way more than what any DL competitors have done.
you forgot JFK and LGA all except for the ORD and DCA flights. The BOS flights just moved to mainline equipment and workers.
I want to see 100%.
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I don't realistically expect that anyone that comes out against the IAM will receive your endorsement but honestly do you think there might just might be someone that is against the IAM and also has something positive about them? or is that impossible in your eyes?
I did say that DL has taken over way more work for its regional carriers - and way more than what any DL competitors have done.
you forgot JFK and LGA all except for the ORD and DCA flights. The BOS flights just moved to mainline equipment and workers.
I want to see 100%.
....
I don't realistically expect that anyone that comes out against the IAM will receive your endorsement but honestly do you think there might just might be someone that is against the IAM and also has something positive about them? or is that impossible in your eyes?
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Lol. Right?
FWIW, I refuse to endorse anyone as hysterical as Jose. I don't care what side of the issue they're on.
FWIW, I refuse to endorse anyone as hysterical as Jose. I don't care what side of the issue they're on.
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What do you mean when you say that benefits are "portable"?
How many participants are in the National Pension Plan?
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http://www.iamdelta.net/about-the-iam/iam-national-pension-fund/iam-national-pension-fund-faq/
Please view the following FAQ regarding the IAM National Pension Fund (IAMNPF).
During the airline industry restructuring of the 2000s, most airlines either terminated of froze employee defined-benefit pension plans and replaced them with defined contribution (401k) plans. The move was aimed to slash future financial obligations to current employees and shift the risk and funding of retirement plans from the airlines to their employees.
IAM-represented airline employees, however, fared much better than did other airline employees because of the IAM National Pension Fund (IAMNPF). IAM negotiators were able to replace terminated or frozen pension plans with the IAM National Pension Plan (IAMNPP), most notably at United Airlines and US Airways.
Please visit the www.iamnpf.org for more information and please read the below FAQ.
Links to important IAMNPF pamphlets:
Don't gamble with your retirement.
The Number One Retirement Plan.
Working Today to Ensure Your Retirement Tomorrow.
Information Guide.
Pension Benefits Payment Options.
View the Annual Funding Notice.
Is the IAM National Pension Fund a part of the IAMAW Union?
Is participation in the plan limited to IAM members?
Does any portion of union dues go toward this plan?
How is the plan funded?
Why is there a joint Board of Trustees?
What do you mean when you say that benefits are "portable"?
How many participants are in the National Pension Plan?
Can a company of any size join the National Pension Plan?
How can I get more information about the National Pension Plan?
Are there death and disability benefits under the plan?
What payment options are available under the plan?
When was the Fund started?
Who manages the Fund's assets?
Who oversees the Fund's operations?
What does the Fund do with earnings on investments?
Is the Fund financially sound?
What are some of the advantages of the National Pension Plan compared to a 401(k) plan?
If the National Pension Plan is better, why are 401(k) plans so popular?
Can I be in both the National Pension Plan and a 401(k) plan?
Can I be in the National Pension Plan and contribute to an IRA (Individual Retirement Account)?
Why is the National Pension Plan so valuable?
- See more at: http://www.iamdelta.net/about-the-iam/iam-national-pension-fund/iam-national-pension-fund-faq/#sthash.6XotT26h.dpuf
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sure looks like someone is looking for a commission check.
grassroots my backside.
grassroots my backside.
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