Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[WorldTraveler]

it is simply union drivel to believe that the company would forge signatures but the IAM would not.

and it really doesn't matter who forged them.

the issue is that there are FAs who said they didn't sign the cards which means that there isn't near the support that you claim there is...
 

Lets do the math, we know World Fraudster isnt too good at math.

Lets see there are around 20,000 FAs at DL, over 12,000 signed cards to call for an election, that is about 60% of the active FAs, hmm, seems 12,000 is greater than 8,000.

And cards keep coming in!

and once again, you and the IAM have been dreaming of an election win since the day that the IAM lost 5 representation elections back to back to back to back to back.

the DL/NW representation elections were the biggest single defeat the IAM has ever suffered.

to not believe that there aren't people who will benefit handsomely if the DL FAs endorse the IAM and more than ten million dollars per year is diverted from DL FAs to the Machinists national organization, never to return.

When that kind of money is at stake, there is all kinds of room and reason for impropriety.

kev,
spare us the hysterics.

your manager doesn't call you at home now other than for work-related issues for which you know you will be getting a call. nothing has changed. to think anything is any different in any other dept. is only your imagination.

and you fall right into the union line to believe that only the company - and not YOUR coworkers - are the ones who don't want a union.

 

[metopower]

Baba-- Anything can happen.... And IMHO, what we're hearing/seeing now is only the beginning. You guys can call me cynical all you want, but I wouldn't put it past the company (or more accurately, the union avoidance shadow men they're employing) to set these sorts of things up. It wouldn't be the first time...
Meto-- Mine doesn't call me either, but it's still telling to me that this person's first reaction is one of dread and not curiosity. It's indicative of the climate of edginess that is coursing through a lot of bases/stations right now. Can't speak for everywhere, but that simply didn't exist in my world prior to this merger.

Yours is also mine remember. My point is when you never get a call your first reaction is always negative.

 

[Kev3188]

I hear ya, but my point is that it didn't used to be that way...

 

[metopower]

I believe each base keeps a record of who has signed or not. 
volunteers i guess are polling?
also the IAM has also been calling F/A's at  home asking as well.
 
 
Good to hear about your friends.   I do believe depending on what
base.  dtw/msp caugh caugh, their is a lot of face saving.

Yes they do. They are based out west. Interesting they were at NW for 20 years . They don't care one way or the other on the union.They feel well treated and like DL better then NW. Their complaint was it was always tension not a fun place to work. Now they just go to work and go home . They like the peace . But that is just them.

 

[700UW]

 

[WorldTraveler]

and just as I have said for years and meto confirms, what a lot of airline people end up negotiating is a hostile, contentious work environment.

Kev,
strange that you feel a sense of foreboding but others do not.

suppose that sense is internally generated?

 

[Kev3188]

Yes they do. They are based out west. Interesting they were at NW for 20 years . They don't care one way or the other on the union.They feel well treated and like DL better then NW. Their complaint was it was always tension not a fun place to work. Now they just go to work and go home . They like the peace . But that is just them.

Most people I talk to would say literally the exact opposite.

Different strokes, I guess...

 

[WorldTraveler]

and the fact that you surround yourself with people that think like you and cut off the ones that don't.

as a pilot, I suspect meto engages in the conversations as part of his regular interactions with people he meets all over the system.

I would also say my conversations with PMNW personnel even in DTW and MSP and with FAs based from there mirror meto's.

unlike what you and 700 think, a bunch of cards is not a mandate for a union.

 

[700UW]

and just as I have said for years and meto confirms, what a lot of airline people end up negotiating is a hostile, contentious work environment.

Kev,
strange that you feel a sense of foreboding but others do not.

suppose that sense is internally generated?

World Fraudster you are at it again:

 

At Delta, widely recognized as the most successful U.S. airline, a unionized pilot group has formed a positive relationship with management and has played a key role in the airline’s success. ALPA President Lee Moak was the primary architect of that relationship during his six years as chairman of the Delta pilots’ master executive council.
 
“If you look back over the past eight years, we’ve always been able to partner with our pilots and figure out what we need to do to keep Delta at the top of the industry,” Bastian said. “Our track record is the best in the industry in that regard.”
Moak took over as chairman of the Delta pilots in 2005, just before Delta filed bankruptcy. During his six years in office, he signed a contract that seemed to benefit both parties, helped the carrier fend off a hostile merger and then made the pilots key players in putting together a merger that work.  His approach may be described as “for pilots to win, airlines must win too.”
 
In a 2012 interview with TheStreet TST -1.25%http://www.forbes.com/companies/thestreet/, Moak said: “I have a different philosophy than others in the labor movement and maybe in the airline industry, and Delta has been successful, going into bankruptcy and then restructuring and merging. But I wouldn’t say it’s just Lee Moak. Lee Moak is the face of a large team of people who believe in the same idea.”
Moak formed a positive relationship with Delta CEO Richard Anderson.
 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed/2014/04/25/delta-gets-along-fine-with-alpa-can-jetblue-do-the-same/

 

[WorldTraveler]

the fraud is in your inability to read and see that I said "a lot of airline people"

DALPA has proven that it does things differently from its union counterparts.

You acknowledge that very fact with your quote about Lee Moak.

He initiated the relationship with DL leadership and it has resulted in DL being more agile in adapting to the market including bringing the 717s to DL very quickly which has resulted in enormous inhouse DL pilot growth. While AA and UA are growing their regional carrier operations, DL is shrinking its regional operations in favor of a larger mainline operation.

THERE HAS BEEN ABSOLUTELY NO INDICATION WHATSOEVER THAT THE IAM CAN OR WILL DEVELOP THAT TYPE OF RELATIONSHIP.

AND NONE OF THE LABOR ACTIVISTS AT DL THAT HAVE SUPPORTED THE IAM HAVE INDICATED THEY ARE CAPABLE OF CREATING A POSITIVE WORKING ENVIRONMENT.

The scores of posts which you put on this board are PRECISELY why there is no expectation that the IAM will have a cooperative relationship with mgmt. - everything you post is DL is bad, they are screwing you, and a union can force them to do better.

You know nothing about positive working relationships.

If you want to hold up the DL pilots as an example, then sit down, shut up, and let them show the other DL employees how to do it right - with an in-house union and not led by a bunch of loud mouth union outsiders that know nothing of what has made DL great for more than 85 years.

 

[700UW]

There has been plenty of good between the IAM and companies, you just pick out the airlines as it is controversial when it comes to Labor Relations.
 
Having been a representative, an officer and a Contract Negotiator, let me tell you something World Fraudster, the company is too blame in most situations, I lived it, you havent.
 
Frank Lorenzo has many clones in the business.
 
And the IAM at UA, US and other carriers took concessions to keep the airlines in business, but hey dont let the facts get in your way.
The IAM saved Harley-Davidson, Remington or Winchester Arms, and other companies.
 
US, UA and other airlines would be out of business if it wasnt for the cooperation of the unions.
 
I know plenty about good labor relationships, as a union rep, you have to have them with the company.
That is why US selected me as a union rep to be a trainer for Utility, and other classifications, cause we had a bad relationship, that is why US selected me to train rank and file and management on the servicing of the Airbus family A/C.
 
That is why the Senior VP of Inflight at CO and I had a great repore during negotiations and he even went out of his way to get me a positive space ticket on CO so I wouldnt have to wait till 9pm at night to fly home from IAH on US, he instead got me a positive space ticket on CO so I could be home by 4pm and not 11pm.
 
Your posts filled with threats against the DL FAs speaks volumes about your lack of ever understanding the dynamics of a Union and Company Relationship.
 
So now you now EVERY single DL Active Pro-IAM FA?
 
Dude you are nothing more than a liar, World Fraudster fits you to a T.

 

[Kev3188]

I had pretty good working relationships with mgmt. and labor relations as well.

And let's remember that it will be DL employees making/continuing those relationships across the table. Ones elected by their peers.

The theme I continue to see is one of making a good company that much better. No one's interested in torpedoing (sp?) that...

 

[700UW]

But Kevin, what you and I post, doesnt fit World Fraudster view of the world, lol.

 

[BABABOOY]

Profit sharing=WOW.....
I just looked at the amount.
and yes 100% went to my 401K.....
Thanks Delta and all of my fellow employees who made this happen.

 

[700UW]

When I saw someone hashtag shoes before dues, it pushed me over the edge.....SO NOW I WILL VOICE MY OPINION ON WHY IAM VOTING! AND VOTING YES!
We work for a company which makes BILLIONS of dollars in profits, and I TRULY respect the leadership we have that has made Delta such a profitable airline.
The insurance that Delta has offered its flight attendants this year is a DISGRACE!
 
My families premium each month $310=$3720 annually
$2600 deductible (if in network)
add those two and its now $6320 out of my pocket
BTW it's Feb 12 and I have already paid half ($1361 of my deductible)
 

Once we hit the deductible of $2600 it becomes 80/20 max annual out of pocket.( which could possibly be conceived as affordable health care)... so add another 20% which is $1520. At this point I will have paid out $7840
 
The prescription plan is pathetic even with the "new added meds"
 
Also will pay $270 in dental premium- no services rendered yet.
 
Also $114.84 in Vision premium- no services rendered yet
 
I can factually tell you that if you add health,vision and dental for my family I will pay $8224 out of pocket, and that is if I have no dental or vision claims.
 
Attend an IAM roadshow meeting, get informed and make the right decision for our future!