Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[700UW]

Spectator is WorldTraveler's alias to remove his red marks.

 

[BABABOOY]

I am surprised more "townpete's", "spectators", "bababooy", and more have not materialized to pump up the rhetoric. Delta will spend what it takes to fill any and all possible media sites with the F&H narrative.

So Delta is paying me to Speak MY truth?
I'm sorry and you are?
 
 
As if this site even matters to the F/A population who "may"
actually vote.....

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

So Delta is paying me to Speak MY truth?
I'm sorry and you are?
 
 
As if this site even matters to the F/A population who "may"
actually vote.....

I should not have used you as an example. My apologies.

 

[BABABOOY]

I should not have used you as an example. My apologies.

accepted 

 

[WorldTraveler]

Kev and Q and their ilk live in a world where someone is always out to get them and their ideals

They are really nothing more than maladapted individuals who couldn't succeed with their ideals in the real world so they just attack anyone who challenges them

From Q's inability to admit that AMFA threw 5000 of the best paying jobs in the industry down the drain to Kev's inability to admit that the world he fantasizes doesn't exist and never did and never will...the union pompom squad is full of people with heads firmly planted up in the clouds...and a few other places

No, it is not the company and it is not anyone else...but you

 

[700UW]

And you are the board cancer, you are World Fraudster.

 

[700UW]

Update from Kip:

 
 
Brothers and sisters,
I wanted to give you an update on my termination. As most of you know I was fired by Delta on December 2 for, in my opinion, speaking out about the large number of low wage workers that Delta employs to work the Company's aircraft and for being active in a campaign to bring a union to the ramp and cargo. Eleven weeks after being fired I received a response from Delta to my appeal.
 
In part, here is what Delta said, "Based on our review, we are satisfied that the termination of your employment was appropriate. As a result your appeal has been denied."
 

Compare this to the statement made by the State of Minnesota in an unemployment judgement - "The applicant was discharged for making alleged disparaging and untrue remarks about Delta Air Lines. The alleged statements did not however violate Delta policy, procedure or instructions."
 
Normally in a case like this Delta will offer resignation in lieu of termination. The employee will take resignation so that a search for a new job is not crippled. And that is the end of it. The truth is never really uncovered because a neutral third party never gets to examine the evidence. Only Delta does.
 
Sometimes the employee decides to go to court to get justice. This process usually takes over a year and costs northward of $100,000. Most Delta employees don't have these kinds of resources so they abandon their fight.
 
With a union, the IAM takes the case to a neutral arbitrator for judgement at no cost to the employee. All ramp and cargo workers would have this protection with a union. An arbitrator may rule against the employee, but evidence, witnesses and cross examination all help to get at the truth.
 
Most employees don't get fired, but I know that one of the biggest factors causing people to sign union cards is the terrible uncertainty of "at will" employment. Having the IAM takes that uncertainty away

 

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[robbedagain]

pete  you brought up the UA thing   however what you did not bring up  was the fact that after the UA/CO folks voted in the contract    Yes it was a crappy deal that should have never ever been brought out let alone agreed upon   but it goes to show those members truly voted for the money   at the cost of a number of cities.    
 
fast forward to PMUS and you can see clearly the major upgrades (regardless what the World Famous DL Cheerleader says) to the 2014 agreement over the 2008 agreement.     Scope is enhanced   even after taking out AA metal    IAM began insourcing jobs in a large number of cities.    On the other hand  all of the AA folks I have spoken with always says we have had a better bargaining group than they had.   While every union has its ups  its downs   so does every company  including DL  but the World Famous DL Cheerleader was asked repeatedly to come up with a list of all the negative things and never did    He cant even come up with 1.   Yet he has np slamming other airlines for doing what they feel they need to.   No one company or union is perfect   but in this day and age  I and a large number of airline folks feel the union is far more needed than not.   
 
I just hope and wish to see DL become union  and if that happens you can always become a union dues objector    but til that happens DL can and has done what they see fit as they please    So  Good Luck to all

 

[700UW]

More from Kip:
 

Let me make a couple of things clear. One is, my lawyer says that the case we will file in Federal Court is a winner. I will get my job back. Second, I plan to stay very active in the campaign for a union at Delta. I am not quitting that effort. I am not backing away from it.
 

 

[topDawg]

Kev and Q and their ilk live in a world where someone is always out to get them and their ideals

They are really nothing more than maladapted individuals who couldn't succeed with their ideals in the real world so they just attack anyone who challenges them

From Q's inability to admit that AMFA threw 5000 of the best paying jobs in the industry down the drain to Kev's inability to admit that the world he fantasizes doesn't exist and never did and never will...the union pompom squad is full of people with heads firmly planted up in the clouds...and a few other places

No, it is not the company and it is not anyone else...but you

and from you inability to understand and learn a single second of history. You can get repeating this stupid Leo but its doesn't make your little labor hating wet dream come true. 
 
that is not what happened. Its was never what happened and it will never be what happened. Only a complete and total idiot would see that as the case. People like Glenn have done so so so much more for me than you can ever dream. Running their names in the mud because you can't figure out history is so amazingly sad and stupid its a joke. Pick up a book. 
 

Is the 717 a RJ?
 
How many RJs fly under the DL name?
Why do the pilots have language in their CBA protecting them from the unlimited use of RJs while you have nothing to protect you at all?
 
Hiring FAs is due to retirements, and DL increasing the fleet size, you have zero job protections, except under labor laws, you are an employee at will.
 
DL has numerous RJ operators that are RJs that arent DL jobs nor provide Job Security for you, the use of Express operators takes your job away.

None of this matters because, for the most part DALPAs scope is their scope. Some understand this
 
some buy into the stupid idea that mother D is protecting them. 
 

 
so you don't have a clue here.
ok
The 717's have been coming on line to, wait for it 
to REPLACE RJ's.
these a/c are creating mainline F/A's jobs.
The trend has been reversing over the years. More Mainline, less RJ's. FACT 
 
and YES I'm an employee at will
with over 25+ years!
How long have you been employed by the same employer ?
Its working quite well for me, how about you?

Don't tell someone they don't have a clue then forget to tell the real story. Delta is adding 717s. 
 
but also adding E-jets and CR9s that you aint working......... That is something you forget. 
 
 
and the only reason any of that is under control is because an evil union has scope that constantly saves you and the rest of your groups butt day in and day out. 
 

No Delta has Never threatened this.
with SEA ramping up, many Delta F/A jobs are being added taking away from Foriegn based F/A's.
Delta is  IN sourcing jobs.
 
Sorry that is happening to you guys, I can only speak to F/A's
and the Many jobs this reversal is creating.

Delta is also adding RJs FWIW. Just signed a deal to add more 76 seaters for G7. Who are the FAs on those again?..............
 
 
oh 717 though. lol. 
 

you know what?

I "took it in the shorts" during 7.5 too.

but I figured out how to overcome what was done to me and ended up better off a year after 7.5 than I did before.

If Ron Allen and Leo Mullen succeeded at wounding you for the rest of your career and leaving you a bitter man, then it isn't they who won. 
 

uh.... we know math is not your strongest point but percentages ARE the appropriate way to compare two different sized organizations.

you do realize that PERCENTAGEs are the way representation votes are won, not raw numbers, don't you?

Deflecting again. This is how I know you are talking from your ass again. 
 
 
and Leo I don't believe for one small second you took anything in the shorts. You got your big buy out. 
 

 

Did you know Delta started the latest round of whipsawing at the the RJ level so EV honest to goodness can't afford to give pay increases because companies like 9E (owned by Delta Air Lines INC.) have cut wages so much?
 

And I should pin my HOPES that Delta f/a's will be any better?

So do you think your coworkers are useless then? Oh course as I said above any of the RJ operators are not apples to apples with Delta. 
 
We know this but being logical about it is stupid. 
 

IAM Negotiates Tentative Agreement with United to [SIZE=18pt]OUTSOURCE[/SIZE] [SIZE=18pt]Jobs[/SIZE]

IAM also has the tightest scope for ramp jobs too. 
 
want to compare it to your scope, my scope or Kevs scope? We have none. You don't know that as well because DALPA constantly saves yalls butts. 
 

ARE YOU KIDDING HERE?
That is the funniest thing I have seen you say.
You must be aware of this a/c called the 717 no ?  
now I know you are a comedian.
Do you know how many F/A's hired in 2014?
2015 ? 

You must thank DALPA for the 717. 
Again, what have YOU or the FA group done to stop extra RJ flying? 
 
 
Once again, You post how Delta is treating you so well, 717s etc but its DALPA who is giving you a job. 
 
 
 
 
 
and they are.........a..........wait for it................union.

 

[700UW]

One of the bests post I have read. It's amazing how easily how a third party that Delta pays to put out propaganda and believe it's the absolute truth and not research the issues and see how DL and F&H manipulate them and they don't even realize it.

It looks like P.T. Barnum was right.

 

[700UW]

See this is how it works:
 

 

[WorldTraveler]

Scope at US can't begin to overcome the disaster at UA. Never

DL overall is reducing RJ flying and adding mainline. AA and UA are not.

As long as you want to believe that I am Leo or Ron you should not have any hope that i will respect you for who you are

 

[700UW]

And DL is replacing the 50 seaters with larger RJs also.
 
As Dawg pointed out, ALPA did give them more leeway to increase the large RJ Fleet.

 

[700UW]

So explain how DL just added another RJ partner and increased the number of Large RJs?
 
I mean you spin more than a set of washing machines at the laundry mat.
 
And why dont you tell the board, what DALPA agreed too in order for DL to get the 717s?
 
Lets see if you can be honest for a change.
 
And the IAM as able to in-source 800 jobs and mitigate the cuts, which were going to be over 2,000.