Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[topDawg]

you should check the Tech Ops site.

I don't need to. I'll take southwinds word that they announced it. Again that isn't public and I am not pissing in someones pool here.
 

and then you should be man enough to admit that I was right - again - that DL might be coming up with something that would ensure that the big engine work on future DL aircraft can be done in-house.

Okay try to keep up. I admitted I was wrong 3 or 4 times.
 

instead you try to deflect from the fact that what I said has indeed happened - and how many months past the order announcement are we - and how many months BEFORE the first delivery?

The issue is you were guessing and for once guessed right. Should we list all the s**t you said Delta would do that they didn't. 737-700s to WN. Major MIA expansion. Etc. etc.
1 out of 100 good work I guess.
 

as for the larger mainline vs. RJ issue, Dl identified it as an issue for the industry years ago and made it public. AA could have gotten rid of a bunch more 50 seaters in BK but didn't. They now operate the world's largest fleet of 50 seaters and a bunch more hubs than they need because the two are linked.

AA is drawing down 50 seaters as they get frames to replace them. AA can't just park 100s of 50 seaters with nothing to replace them. You know this. Stupid comment.

 

DL made the choice to cut 50 seaters and shift to mainline aircraft. AA could have done the same but didn't. Neither has UA - but at least UA didn't just emerge from BK. AA did.

AA is doing just that.
DL is doing just that. Delta didn't start dumping 50 seat jets in-mass till after BK btw. Ask Comair.
 

there is no excuse for AA continuing to hold onto as many RJs as they have which is resulting in them SHRINKING their mainline fleet while GROWING their regional carrier fleet.

You keep talking about that fleet update AA sent out, They are parking 20 ERJs and 1 Dash-8.
but yes they are growing the 76 seater fleet. So is Delta.

and I believe you will find AA has less 76 seaters than Delta. FWIW.
 

no excuse other than that they have union contracts which provide no protection against it while DL which has few union restrictions is going in the opposite direction and bringing work back to its own people.

Delta is adding big RJs. WTF are you talking about?
 

 

[topDawg]

I threatened no one.

I simply said that following the rules is not optional. There are mechanisms in place to ensure the rules are indeed followed, whether you can accept that or not.

You threatened me. 

"you just might find out that I really am all of the names that you have called me - and a whole lot worse. A WHOLE lot worse. and those who scream cyber bullying might want to make sure their nose and the nose of those who they ally with - often in their own game of cyber bullying - is absolutely and spotlessly clean."

"and since you and umpteen other people think I am what you have called me, then I'll act on it."

"if you and your coworkers aren't smart enough to realize that the airline industry is intensely competitive and DL invests in its equipment for the use of supporting its own operation and to be compensated when it is used by other carriers, then the issue clearly needs to be looked at.

since I am an outsider, I wouldn't have access to the corporate directory or an ID that would get me into the GO and other offices, so you don't have to worry about a thing.

but let's just suppose I am not quite the outsider that some people here think I am including the very same cybermorons that are pushing for unions and then opening their mouths about how they ditch company procedure because they are empowered."

 

[WorldTraveler]

plz... I've threatened no one. milk it for what it is worth if you think you can get some mileage out of it and hide the fact that you have been wrong whiel I have been right.

I never said DL would definitely get rid of the 737-700s... just that they could in order to get the 717s. Given that DL paid DL to get rid of the 717s, there was hardly a reason for DL to put its high performance 737s on the line... which might come in real handy for some long-haul LGA flying I the not too distant future.

the MIA Latin America buildout has yet to happen. I have told you repeatedly that DL is focusing on the west coast right now. DL has been very methodical about its growth... NYC, then the west coast, MIA to Latin America will come.

know you didn't really admit you were wrong. you said you were glad and were happy to be proven wrong by DL.

I'll let you off the hook since you aren't big enough to admit that I, not DL, said that DL would figure out a way to expand its engine business - because if they didn't, it was obvious to both of us that DL's engine MRO business would come to an end in a few years.

now would you like to venture what DL's next steps are given that the 330s and 350s are all RR engines and DL isn't a RR large engine service center?

and, no, AA is NOT reducing its 50 seat fleet this year. They will continue to remove 20 E140 aircraft from the fleet but those are the result of AA's negotiations in BK... they are removing NO E145s or CRJ200s this year.

that is in contrast to DL and UA.

and ALL 3 carriers are adding 76 seaters... again the difference is that DL is reducing the TOTAL number of RJ aircraft - which means there are more small RJs leaving than large ones coming in - and the amount of RJ ASMs of all types is shrinking at DL but not at AA and UA.

AA's fleet guidance was provided to investors on Jan 27, 2015.

you can look at traffic reports from all 3 carriers to validate what is actually happening in practice regarding the movement in RJ capacity.

 

[topDawg]

the MIA Latin America buildout has yet to happen. I have told you repeatedly that DL is focusing on the west coast right now. DL has been very methodical about its growth... NYC, then the west coast, MIA to Latin America will come.

sure it will
 

know you didn't really admit you were wrong.

wait.....
 

you said you were glad and were happy to be proven wrong by DL.

I said I was proven wrong by DL.....that is saying I was wrong. 
 
Here, simple English that isn't hard. 
I was wrong. 
 

I'll let you off the hook since you aren't big enough to admit that I, not DL, said that DL would figure out a way to expand its engine business - because if they didn't, it was obvious to both of us that DL's engine MRO business would come to an end in a few years.

They wouldn't come to an end. I told you I thought Delta would stay in the small engine game. CF34 and CFM56 and then move to the GTF and/or LEAP engines. I didn't think they would staying in the big engine game however. 
 
And I don't believe any of this happens without Don pushing to bring in more work. He and his team have worked their butts off to get the CF6-80C2B8Fs, 330 c-check and now this in-house. I know he also wants to bring the CFM56-5A, PW4168, V2500 and airbus and 717 landing gear in-house. 
 

now would you like to venture what DL's next steps are given that the 330s and 350s are all RR engines and DL isn't a RR large engine service center?

Well for the Trent Engines this means some kind of JV. (Again, Delta has signed a long-term TotalCare agreement so it has to be a JV) 
A JV is a great thing though. Don't get me wrong. 
 
It is hard to say what happens next. A lot of questions that have to be answered before I can say better. Does Delta completely move its engine shop away from TOC? If yes what do they do with that space? How large is the new engine center? What engines move over? Are any in-house engines sent out? Any out of house engines brought in? 
If they don't completely leave the TOC site, what engines go? what engines stay? 
How large is the new center? How many test cells? Will be like TASEL is (ie RR only?) 
 
As it is I expect at least the Trent 7000 and Trent XWB to open up lines. Delta hasn't canceled the 787 order so it is possible Delta ends up keeping them. If they do then I expect a Trent 1000 line to open. 
Does Delta add any other Trent types? 700? 800? Does the BR715 engine become part of this JV? 
 
a lot of questions. Its really hard to say what step is taken next. Once the RFP goes out and a more clear plan is laid out then it will be easier to see what happens. 
 
I would also keep an eye on TASEL. RR has more than one JV in Asia so I am not saying TASEL is going anywhere, but if AA does walk from TASEL (as has been rumored on their board) then it could very well mean the new Delta/Rolls JV does Trent 800s too. 
 
Very interesting times ahead. 
 

and, no, AA is NOT reducing its 50 seat fleet this year. They will continue to remove 20 E140 aircraft from the fleet but those are the result of AA's negotiations in BK... they are removing NO E145s or CRJ200s this year.

Yes because right now they are starting with the ERD fleet. It, having less than 50 seats, is the easy target to park. Once the ERDs go I am sure CRJs and ERJs will be next. 
 

and ALL 3 carriers are adding 76 seaters... again the difference is that DL is reducing the TOTAL number of RJ aircraft - which means there are more small RJs leaving than large ones coming in - and the amount of RJ ASMs of all types is shrinking at DL but not at AA and UA.

I don't know what United is doing. They seem to love the RJ
 
but AA and DL are both dumping 50 seater or less aircraft. AA a little slower, sure, because unlike Delta, they didn't have 200 76 seaters work of aircraft already. 

 

[robbedagain]

WT  go get professional help bec you clearly need it   youre very obsessed with your former employer   there is a reason why they paid you to leave   you are so dam stuck up in DL tail is beyond pathetic   YES YOU DID THREATEN a number of posters on here   Yes you have made fun of posters for variety of things including grammar   NO you have NEVER ADMITTED YOU ARE WRONG because you when proven wrong you have changed subject, go off topic  etc   You go great lengths not to admit when your wrong   You are truly a pathetic dude who is beyond obsessed with DL and clearly need help

 

[BABABOOY]

You didnt mention it in your zealousness to slam the IAM nor did Baba nor did DL, it shows their lack of credibility, you all try and slam the IAM yet DL is using the EX-IM bank.
 
You got caught out there.
 
You, Baba and DL are hypocrites.
 
So DL is fighting a battle and can lose work for its mechanics in their engine overhaul shops.
 
Yep thats looking out for the DL "family".
 
And I can fly where ever I want when I want.
 
You want to get personal?

Coming from you that's a badge
You, the one who created this thread "no personal attacks"


This IAm campaign has nothing to do with Delta F/A's
All too clear the delta f/a's are just an means to an end .
Treated by outside zealouts such as yourself and the higher ups
At the IAM as pawns.
the brash blue collar, win at all cost, damn who gets rolled over
Campaign you and your brethren are representing will NOT win
Over the Delta F/A's

 

[eolesen]

Why do you guys even bother? 372 pages of this and I think it's the same basic 5 or 6 lines of argument that just keep going round & round...

 

[WorldTraveler]

because the non-DL, never been people keep sticking their nose into DL issues.

700 has been asked multiple times why he has an interest in going on at DL and thinks his opinion is more than other DL people, including me who has a financial stake in DL's future and current success.

It IS all about the money that the IAM can gain from DL FAs.

I am right and the only reason why seem people work so hard to attack me is because they can't stand that I am right.
They also aren't smart enough to realize their attacks just embolden me. If they really wanted me to go away, just REALLY ignore me or say "uh huh"



dawg,
thank you for your acknowledgement that you were wrong.

you need to read the letter... some of our questions are answered there.

DL wouldn't have committed to the new engine cell if they didn't think they were making a good investment.

 

[700UW]

 

[WorldTraveler]

and guess what?

CO doesn't exist any more because their costs went up so high that they were no longer viable as a standalone company.

so they are now part of UA where they can't get a unified contract.

and, of course, you once again REFUSE to include profit sharing. the story changes DRAMATICALLY when DL's profit sharing is included.

you couldn't tell the truth if your life depended on it, could you?

 

[robbedagain]

just how will you explode should the FAs at your beloved widget airline elects the IAM?   How much more will you explode should the ACS also elect the IAM    Cant wait for this

 

[WorldTraveler]

nope.

you don't get it because you don't understand that I want what is best for DL EMPLOYEES.

and it is decidedly NOT the IAM.

my stock in DL would likely go UP because DL would have to pay their FAs LESS.

Kev was right on this one and you can't argue against it.

DL has paid its non-union employees a premium to remain non-union. add the union and there is no incentive for DL to pay a premium. it's very simple.

DL people are a whole lot smarter.

 

[topDawg]

because the non-DL, never been people keep sticking their nose into DL issues.

700 has been asked multiple times why he has an interest in going on at DL and thinks his opinion is more than other DL people, including me who has a financial stake in DL's future and current success.

It IS all about the money that the IAM can gain from DL FAs.

I am right and the only reason why seem people work so hard to attack me is because they can't stand that I am right.
They also aren't smart enough to realize their attacks just embolden me. If they really wanted me to go away, just REALLY ignore me or say "uh huh"



dawg,
thank you for your acknowledgement that you were wrong.

you need to read the letter... some of our questions are answered there.

DL wouldn't have committed to the new engine cell if they didn't think they were making a good investment.

I saw the memo. 
 
Doesn't answer much for me. Does seem like they will completely move the engine shop out of TOC
 
I'll be interested to see what they do with the space.
 
Still not sure what will move, stay, be outsourced or insourced. 
Interested to see if a RR JV changes Richard's mind on the 715s or not. 

 

[700UW]

 

[WorldTraveler]

I saw the memo. 
 
Doesn't answer much for me. Does seem like they will completely move the engine shop out of TOC
 
I'll be interested to see what they do with the space.
 
Still not sure what will move, stay, be outsourced or insourced. 
Interested to see if a RR JV changes Richard's mind on the 715s or not.

paragraph 2 has some pretty strong words

I still think that you might be surprised to find that discussions regarding Tech Ops future and the Airbus widebody order were linked.