Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[WorldTraveler]

I wouldn't expect 700 to get it. I do expect dawg to.

sadly, dawg is as stuck in yesteryear regarding the way the MRO business is run as he is about what DL did to reorganize in the past at the cost of its employees.

DL didn't accept that oil companies could screw airlines around because airlines bought fuel and were held hostage to the oil companies and refiners so DL bought a refinery.

the only example of airline vs. airline relationships that makes any sense is AA vs. DL for the PW2000s.

none of the other airlines has the maintenance capabilities to do their work so of course they have to send the work out.

the PW2000s for AA and the 895s for DL are/were very small fleet types...even if DL COULD bring that work inhouse, how many Trent 895s would DL overhaul? there is a point of diminishing returns.

that is NOT the case for a fleet of 50 aircraft which will be as large as AA's 772.

It isn't solely about keeping that money out of a competitor's hands. It is certainly that.

but it is also because DL isn't going to pay a premium to have a competitor maintain its engines when DL could very likely do the work cheaper based on DL's overall maintenance costs relative to AA's.

further, as with so many other things, DL negotiates deals that allow it to do work inhouse and then reduce its own costs by insourcing work from other companies.

EVEN IF DL does not gain the right to insource other work with the 330/350 engines and potentially the 717 engines, DL has very likely succeeded at getting that work inhouse for DL.

You have fretted endlessly that DL would be losing work as the 767s and 744s are retired and yet the letter seems to make it clear that DL is building the new engine shop not only to serve DL needs but also to build the MRO business.

we can argue about it for days, but I will bet you dinner that you will find out that DL is gaining the right to do not just its own RR engine work but also MRO work for the same types.

how about we stand by and wait for more details and then we can compare notes based on facts instead of 700's petulant foot stomping regarding what TAESL has and does not have the rights to do?

 

[700UW]

You dont get the DL outsources maintenance, all of their heavy checks and certain other things, DL uses TAESL, thats a fact.
 
Dawg has explained it to you, he works for DL, unlike you, he is a mechanic, unlike you.
 
But hey your the legend in your own mind, you know it all, and you live in your DL Fantasy world, that is why you have been proven to be a liar over and over by many on this board, that is why you are the board cancer and World Fraudster.
 
And you are so arrogant when you are proven wrong you spin, change and deflect, no one believe your BS you spread.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I don't need dawg or you or anyone else to come on here and refute public data which says exactly what I have said... that DL outsources less than WN, UA, or US in total maintenance spend.

adding AA and US' maintenance outsourcing number together comes up with a level of outsourcing at AA and DL that are very similar.

the only reason why you can't stand me is because I highlight everything that you don't want to see or hear about how unions have failed to do a better job in securing jobs and higher salaries when compared to DL employees.

 

[700UW]

 

[700UW]

I don't need dawg or you or anyone else to come on here and refute public data which says exactly what I have said... that DL outsources less than WN, UA, or US in total maintenance spend.

adding AA and US' maintenance outsourcing number together comes up with a level of outsourcing at AA and DL that are very similar.

the only reason why you can't stand me is because I highlight everything that you don't want to see or hear about how unions have failed to do a better job in securing jobs and higher salaries when compared to DL employees.

Once again you dont understand, spend has nothing to do with the amount of work that is sent out.
 
Sending out a plane for a total overhaul to a third world country is a big job, just because they dont pay exorbitant amount doesnt change the fact all Airframe is outsourced, quantity not dollars.
 
But your a Leo guy, dollars and cents, is all that matter to you,not the amount of work sent out, that means less jobs for for mechanics.
 
AA and US does more in-house maintenance than DL does, thats a fact, but you know it all and should be the CEO of every airline.

 

[WorldTraveler]

it does actually.

you just don't know how the real world works.

AA does NOT do more maintenance in house.

I don't want to be the CEO of an airline. I simply want to make sure that your lies and delusion are kept in check.

 

[Kev3188]

This thread is about F/As and the ramp organizing at DL. If you want to yammer on about mtx spend vs. volume of work, please start a new thread.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I'm presuming that was directed to 700 since he REOPNED the subject.

and of course you don't want to talk about the fact that DL is opening an engine shop.

I'm sure you also don't want to talk about the fact that DL is removing more than 30 RJ flights in DTW and replacing them with mainline flights... and doing the same type of thing in MSP.

and that would involve INSOURCED work.

 

[Kev3188]

Delightful. When there is a net increase in Dept. 120 headcount, be sure to tell us...

Meanwhile the rest of those points warrant their own thread.

 

[southwind]

Seriously, how ignorant are you?
There are numerous videos posted on this thread, is that too hard for you to watch?
 
Only propaganda is what you and others parrot from Ford and Harrison, you know the THIRD PARTY DL pays to produce your propaganda.

And what 3rd party produces your propaganda? Oh ....that's right, the party "You don't represent"!

 

[700UW]

The IAM has a whole communications department and the transportation department has its own communication representative.

No third party, care to post something else to make yourself look more foolish?

 

[BABABOOY]

http://bedeltabedifferent.com/lengthy-negotiations-nix-2014-profit-sharing-for-iam-workers-at-hawaiian/
 
LENGTHY NEGOTIATIONS NIX 2014 PROFIT SHARING FOR IAM WORKERS AT HAWAIIAN
February 24, 2015
On the heels of Delta people receiving record profit-sharing payouts, the Pacific Business News reportedFriday that some Hawaiian employees represented by the International Association of Machinists (IAM) will not be receiving 2014 profit-sharing bonuses. The article sited the union and the company not being able to come to agreement on a collective bargaining agreement as the reason.
While the IAM said in the article that “The company treats the bonus payment as a hostage in negotiations…”, Hawaiian said the IAM agreed to the provision when the profit-sharing program began and reaffirmed the provision when the contracts were last amended.
The latest Machinists union contract for clerical, office, stores, fleet and passenger service employees became amendable on Dec. 31, 2013. So far, negotiations have dealt with work and administrative rules that do not involve compensation and neither party has brought a financial proposal to the table, the article said.

 

[BABABOOY]

http://bedeltabedifferent.com/everybody-has-a-story-and-mine-has-begun-before-i-actually-started-to-work-for-delta-air-lines/
 
 
 

IAM REFUGEE PROCLAIMS, “DELTA AIR LINES IS EVERYTHING I HOPED FOR, AND MORE!”
Since playing in the sandbox I have wanted to be a Flight Attendant. This is true not only based on my memory, but also confirmed by my childhood friends who are amazed that I am in a career I’ve talked about doing since I was a little boy. After graduating college I was ready to enter the aviation world, and the first airline who was hiring that best fit my living situation was Atlantic Southeast Airlines (ASA). I was able to work Delta Connection flights which excited me very much, knowing that my ultimate goal was to work for Delta Air Lines. I saw it as an amazing opportunity to learn the ropes of what it meant to be a Flight Attendant, simultaneously getting to know the Delta brand and culture. I worked with some amazing people and was able to visit some great smaller cities that I may never have seen having not been employed at a regional carrier. Despite my enthusiasm and commitment to the job, I was very struck by how strict and limited my relationship could be with my company due to the requirement of being a union member. The Association of Flight Attendants (AFA) made a presentation during my first week of training at ASA. They outlined what their union had accomplished and what their role was to us as dues paying members. We were also told that joining was voluntary, however if we decided not to join, we would be terminated. My inner dialogue: “*jawdrop*”
Having promised myself to do whatever it took to make my professional dream come true, I joined and completed training, curious to see how this union interaction would play out. At ASA, I was on a straight reserve system being based in Atlanta. I had 10 guaranteed days off a month. That’s it. I assumed there would be days here and there that I would not be used. It was usually one additional day and it happened on average every other month. Otherwise I was working every day I was on call, often piggybacked from trip to trip. Not being home for 6 days in a row on an originally planned 3 day trip was common. Airport standby shifts were 8 hours long. A standard day consisted of 4 legs, however I was often extended up to 7 legs a day. As one can imagine, being exhausted was common amongst everyone, both reserve and line-holding Flight Attendants. Despite working maximum duty days weekly, on limited behind the door rest, I did my absolute best to be the Flight Attendant I promised I would be in my interview. I strived to deliver Delta-mainline level service I had the privilege of witnessing on deadheads and the rare occasion I had the ability to non-rev on difficult to arrange blocks of off time. I thoroughly enjoyed the job itself and its benefits, but the lifestyle was very difficult to adjust to as a result of these less than desirable work rules.
Allow me to make myself very clear, these work rules and conditions are what my union fought FOR, whom I paid monthly dues out of my paycheck to (and don’t get me started on what my hourly wage was as a 1st year Flight Attendant). Management was required to respond to most of my concerns and complaints with “Our hands are tied.” They too were victims, under the strict guidelines of an organization that threatened to take legal action against a small regional carrier unless they complied with their instructions. This included reinstating people into their jobs after being terminated for stealing liquor money, illegitimately calling out sick on a regular basis, and intimidating colleagues on board the aircraft. These individuals relied on the union to defend them despite their unethical and immoral behavior. An atmosphere of fear and vindictive behavior was common during my run at ASA
My first day of training, ASA announced a planned merger with ExpressJet Airlines who operated Continental Connection and United Express. From Day 1, I saw the process first hand: achieving a Single Operating Certificate, taking on the ExpressJet name, and the creation of new company policies and branding. I also witnessed something that made me know once and for all I needed to plan my exit from the new ExpressJet; the battle for representation.
ASA Flight Attendants were represented by AFA, legacy ExpressJet Flight Attendants by the IAM. Both wanted control of the merged work group. Each campaign outlined the pros of their side and combatively pointed out the cons of their opponent. I received paper mail, e-mail, and phone calls from both side. The little off time that I did have was constantly being interrupted because of the aggressive campaign tactics the two groups were taking.
Every day I’d report to work, AFA representatives would intrude on my few minutes of personal time before my trips started. They flooded me with concerns and fears I should have should the IAM be victorious. The biggest fear tactic was the threat of where my seniority would be after the election. It was widely understood that date of hire would be the most logical answer. However, both sides tried to scare us into believing that depending on which union was voted in, it would be one company’s seniority entirely over the other.
I assumed the word “union” meant these organizations stood for a feeling of unity and the desire to work together to strengthen the overall condition we as Flight Attendants experienced. Although opponents, my common sense told me they would surely meet with each other, have open forums, debate in a healthy and professional way. Nope! The AFA barred the IAM from setting up an information table in the ATL lounge. Thus I was approached between flights on the concourse by IAM representatives, harassing me to find out who I would vote for and being told I was a victim of the AFA. This occurred vice versa at legacy ExpressJet bases where the IAM was in control.
The election resulted in an IAM win in 2011. 4 years later, negotiations are ongoing for one contract, one to rule them all…
I was one of the lucky few who was able to join the Delta family in 2013. From the day of the interview to today I have never experienced a company who has shown more dedication to their employees than Delta. Flexible scheduling, an open door management team, profit sharing, annual wage increases over regularly scheduled raises, Velvet360, the Employee Involvement Group, the Employee Assistance Program, Skybucks/My Rewards, special assignment opportunities; these are not things of legend. These are not benefits we are by default entitled to, nor anything a third party business (the AFA or IAM) negotiated for us. These are privileges that Delta, despite what many of their competitors do, believe is the right thing to do for their people. This is the Delta Difference, and this is where I was meant to be.
Jamison Parker – NYC

 

[WeAAsles]

WOW. Look at ALL of those full bins. Really speaks volumes.

 

[Kev3188]

Right?

I wonder how many cards can fit in a tray or a tub?