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robbedagain said:
700 just to add to that link you provided  today Scott Walker signed the Anti Worker Anti Union bill
Right to work laws will force unions to more clearly demonstrate the benefits of union membership instead of relying on the force of law to require workers to pay dues. For example, union membership actually increased in Indiana after that state became a right to work state in 2012:

In Michigan, the percentage of workers in unions has dropped to 14.5 percent from 16.6 percent before the changes. Yet in Indiana, the percentage of union members grew to 10.7 percent from 9.1 percent in 2012, a statistic some labor experts say shows how difficult it is to gauge the effects of such measures given other factors at play.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/10/us/gov-scott-walker-of-wisconsin-signs-right-to-work-bill.html?_r=0
 
Indiana has recorded some of the highest job growth in the US including in manufacturing where unionization remains fairly strong.
 
RTW for less has nothing to do with anyone covered under the RLA.
 
FWAAA said:
Right to work laws will force unions to more clearly demonstrate the benefits of union membership instead of relying on the force of law to require workers to pay dues. For example, union membership actually increased in Indiana after that state became a right to work state in 2012:


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/10/us/gov-scott-walker-of-wisconsin-signs-right-to-work-bill.html?_r=0
JMHO,
It's a little more complicated than that.
The Mods should create a Union section and we can all discuss the pros and cons of RTW.
 
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700UW said:
Aviation High School Students Visit the Winpisinger Center For 13th Consecutive Year - For the 13th consecutive year, students from New York City’s Aviation High School visited the IAM’s William W. Winpisinger (WWW) Education and Technology Center in Hollywood, MD last week for a unique look inside the U.S. transportation industry.







Each year, Aviation High School students spend four days at the WWW and in Washington, D.C. to learn about unions and the aviation industry.The group arrived Sunday to the WWW to check-in and attend orientation. Monday was chock full of classes, from Accident Investigation to Why Politics Matters. On Tuesday, the class visited the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) in Washington, DC.This year, the students' project was complex, relating to policy development and navigating the political environment to achieve their policy objective. They were asked to choose an aviation related public policy that they would like to see implemented and then how would they achieve their public policy objective and make it law.The program ended with a tour of IAM Headquarters and closing remarks from IAM General Vice President Sito Pantoja, himself an Aviation High School graduate.
"The students from Aviation High School never fail to impress me," said General Vice President Sito Pantoja. "They represent aviation's future and I am very proud of the IAM's continuing relationship with the school and our efforts to offer these students a first-hand look into the industry they are preparing to enter."  
Did they get there via the IAM's "Corporate" jet?
 
WorldTraveler said:
Hey Dan McCurdy,did DL not tell you when you were hired that you would be working on a different pay scale?you do realize that the answer at other airlines is either for the IAM to make employees rebid their job when mgmt. decides they want to cut costs or to outsource jobs completely? You do realize that DL has preserved more stations for its employees than any other legacy airline? Meanwhile, WN's rampers are in a multi-year slowdown in negotiations while the company wants more outsourcing.I'd love to see you all making top of scale X2 or 3 - but the industry simply doesn't support it and your unionized peers at other airlines aren't doing any better.
  

DL has an open door policy, which allowed him to walk in and ask anything he liked.
He just didn't like the answer he walked out that door with!




700UW said:
Glad to see you have to insult and call names and not debate.
 
You were wrong on the IAM Structure and how it operates and thats a huge error in your part.
Glad to see someone else noticed that the outsider who started this thread that states "No Personal Attacks", who is guilty of personal attacks is still bitchin' and moanin' when the personal attacks are aimed at him.
Did he learn the " Rules only apply to others" mentality from the IAM's handbook?
 
  
metopower said:
So what...if you knew anything about DL and pilot negotiations you would know that it almost always is done before the amendable date....an insider would know that.
Indeed. And yet, the company continues to tell people it could take years...
 
yes, I know DL has an open door policy.

I used it at one time - only one time - and it worked as intended when going to the top was the appropriate thing to do.

and the reason why any expectations of how long it would take for any new group to reach negotiations depends entirely on the climate that group creates with mgmt.

you and the IAM fail to recognize or appreciate that every work group - unionized or not - has recognized that the secret of DL's success has been working with mgmt. to create mutual wins.

all we hear from the IAM and pro-union peeps is a list of things they find fault with DL which they will DEMAND form DL as soon as they get a union as if they are petitioning for a key to the candy store where they can get what they want paid at DL's expense.

NOT ONCE have I ever heard a single labor group or pro-union person say "this characteristic is what makes us strong, we recognize it, intend to build on it, and work to ensure the company also wins and remains strong."

NOT ONCE.

as long as pro-union employees expect further unionization as a one-way street where they fail to ensure the company wins, I can assure you the company will reduce the process to the same labor gridlock that currently exists at WN.

and speaking of WN, tell me how quickly WN's negotiations have been in the past and why they are taking as long as they are now and the same principle will apply.

WN cannot win in the marketplace based on the demands that labor has and so the process has come to a halt.
 
Kev3188 said:
  
Indeed. And yet, the company continues to tell people it could take years...
And what exactly is the IAM's experience with Delta for First Contracts?
seems like you lumping ALPA and the IAM together.  
 
not just first but ANY contracts

the pro-union crowd wants to blur the lines between unions when it is convenient for their position (such as the ease of getting a contract signed) but make them very clear when arguing about what ALPA got for the pilots compared to what APFA got for AA's, wait, wait FAs.
 
WorldTraveler said:
not just first but ANY contracts

the pro-union crowd wants to blur the lines between unions when it is convenient for their position (such as the ease of getting a contract signed) but make them very clear when arguing about what ALPA got for the pilots compared to what APFA got for AA's, wait, wait FAs.
  
"the pro-union crowd wants to blur the lines between unions when it is convenient for their position"
Yes exactly!
 
 
And what exactly is the IAM's experience with Delta for First Contracts?
What difference does that make? Since DL has shown they're clearly capable of expedient negotiating, I assume you are trying to draw a parallel with Commutair or EV. The question you (all of you, really) should actually be asking is; who will be representing me at the table, and what experience do they have?
 
http://staffingtalk.com/win-win-or-no-win-for-delta-flexible-staffing/
 
Delta Air Lines is the only domestic airline to use a flexible staffing program. The name is Ready Reserve, and it's used to fill numerous operational positions at all of its hubs nationwide. The airline calls it a "win-win," saying it helps better manage staffing levels. But critics say it's a not-so-thinly-veiled attempt to simply eliminate full-time jobs with benefits. Which is it - See more at: http://staffingtalk.com/win-win-or-no-win-for-delta-flexible-staffing/#sthash.PJv4nkcl.dpuf
 
"and it's used to fill numerous operational positions at all of its hubs nationwide."

Not just the hubs; every station.

And in reservations...

And in GSE...

And so on...
 
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