Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[700UW]

Thank you exactly what I thought.

It's simply amazing how a poster can constantly lie about things when an actual employee tells that poster the truth, yet he furthers his lies over and over.

Someone has some serious issues.

 

[WorldTraveler]

It's a long list.

Pick any article from a CBA you want. Whatever language you pick, DL workers don't have it...

you mean you don't have it signed by a union official on a piece of paper that has been run roughshod over in Bk court and which union officials have given away in "negotiations" such as what the IAM did regarding scope for UA's IAM-represented rampers.

what you do, have, Kevin, is far stronger job protections that have been proven to be in the best interests of not only YOU but also the company.

You've been a DL employee since the merger, right? that's coming up on 7 years. your station hasn't been closed.

in far less time than you have been a DL employee, AA and UA have outsourced DOZENS - perhaps SCORES of cities.

so, no, Kev, you don't have a contract that can be torn up and given away because the majority think they are better off by selling the minority down the river - which is what the IAM and TWU have done.

instead, you have a solution that has provided you and your peers with the highest average compensation EVEN WITH THE RR program and a benefits package that exceeds those at AA and UA - and is comparable to UA's.

And don't throw QOL out there as if it is some non-numerical fudge factor that can override everything else. QOL items have a cost not just in a CBA but to the company.

If you could actually show me that a union has delivered something better at your most direct peers, I'd line up in a heartbeat behind your campaign.

but it is precisely because I am PRO DL WORKER that I can't support unionization that would actually lead to lower compensation

 

[700UW]

Learn about section 1113

 

[WorldTraveler]

we saw it played out in real life multiple times last decade.

 

[700UW]

And unionized airline workers at least had a say what happened to them, can't say that about DL's non-union employees.

 

[robbedagain]

since you do not want to admit to this... but since the AA/US merger  the PMUS got enhanced scope protection  no city currently mainline can be outsourced unless it goes down to 1 mainline jet a day  7 a week     wage increases  guaranteed thanks to a contract   and all of ramp functions that is under mainline is mainline  unlike DL who outsources various parts of their ramp     Do you comprehend that   Do you understand that or no?

 

[Kev3188]

Of course he gets it. He just likes winding you two up...

 

[WorldTraveler]

I want first and foremost to discuss the issues.

I fully get that PMUS got increased protections... but AA/US - which is the combined airline even if it still has separate labor agreements for your workgroup - has fewer cities than it had. a lot fewer.

same thing for UA ramp.

WN is asking for the ability to outsource more.

DL is holding what it has, in large part because the RR program is SAVING full-time jobs and cities because it gives DL the flexibility it needs - and which other carriers don't have so they have no choice but to close cities.

what I get is that beating the drum of protecting jobs at airlines by unions has VERY OFTEN meant that those jobs are eventually lost anyway.

If the economics don't support keeping jobs, a union campaign to save them only buys a little time and makes sure that the later cuts are going to be deeper than they would have been if they had been done the first time.

the issue is that DL has figured out a way to staff its stations economically and competitively, keep more of its stations with its own people than AA or UA, and still manages to pay its people more than AA or UA.

that reality gets a lot of people wound up trying to pretend it doesn't exist.. but that is indeed the truth.

 

[southwind]

Kevin can you explain what job protections that you don't have compared to someone with a CBA since WF aka anti-worker keeps lying about?
What scope , wage etc....

And can you explain how all that contract and scope talk goes out the window and means didley squat, when a company files BK!

 

[southwind]

Not soon enough.
Get thee to Camp Creek with a quickness and help those guys out!

So what's the hold up? At this rate, by the time there's a vote (if theres a vote) half the peeps who signed cards will be retired!

 

[Kev3188]

Or outsourced.

Get out there and help!

 

[Airlinelifer]

Southwind:
 
Here's the DL"On-Call" Supply Attendant (RR stock clerk) employment posting.
 
http://georgia.jobing.com/delta-airlines/oncall-supply-attendant

 

[Airlinelifer]

Google  >  >   On Call Supply Attendant
The first post is the RR position for Supply Attendant at DL

 

[700UW]

And can you explain how all that contract and scope talk goes out the window and means didley squat, when a company files BK!

Wrong.
 
Read Section 1113 C of the bankruptcy code.
 
Once again, your ignorance shows no bounds.

 

[southwind]

And once again , your the instigator of personal attacks, in a topic you labeled,"No Personal Attacks".....so get ready to start whining and moaning to the mods.....something I don't do!