Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[WorldTraveler]

I TOTALLY GET the influence and power of money.

There have been PAID IAM organizers in the DL FA IAM campaign.

There are a few sprigs of grass in the middle of a huge patch of weeds. grassroots, heck no.

I'll throw out the truth - which is exactly what you don't want to hear, especially when it validates that if this campaign was as grassroots as you claim it is, DL employees would not have voted the IAM off of DL property multiple times during the DL-NW merger representation process.

 

[Kev3188]

Yep, a legal document, showing exact accounting of people doing perfectly legal work on behalf of others. Imagine that!

@WT-- Feel free to post a source link.

Like I said, rarely is it the smoking gun people think.

Same story with the idea that the IAM is somehow "behind" everything. We covered that 2 years ago. On the ACS side, they help with logisitcs (no one I know has a printing press in their basement.). All content/local distribution is created by my peers.

Since this is all old news, I have to conclude that today's posts are merely attempts to disrupt any conversation.

 

[WorldTraveler]

FORM LM-2 LABOR ORGANIZATION ANNUAL REPORT

FILE NUMBER
002-485

You should be able to go from there.

I have no doubt that there are volunteer DL employees who are working on this effort.

but the fact that there are DL employees who are also being paid by the IAM says this is not solely an effort of you and your peers by people who are solely interested in improving their DL experience.

This is as much about the IAM looking for millions of dollars in dues revenue and being willing to spend six digit sums per year to help make that happen.

There are real financial interests involved here... and this is not just big, bad DL spending money to fight a volunteer effort as you have tried to frame it.

Let's just call the campaign what it is....

 

[700UW]

Why don't you post how much money DL paid third parties and employees to fight the campaign?

 

[WorldTraveler]

I believe it has been posted before and no one including me ever doubted it.

But what DL spends doesn't change that the campaign involves big money ON BOTH SIDES - and the campaign is not being run by and for DL employees.

What you have repeatedly tried to argue is that the DL campaigns are grassroots and entirely the effort of DL employees.

They ARE NOT.

The IAM is deeply financially committed to unionizing DL employees and there are coworkers of tens of thousands of DL employees that are being paid to work for the IAM at the same time they are being paid to be DL employees.

DL employees simply deserve the right to know that.

and people here need to admit that there is a lot of IAM money involved including that coming from other IAM represented airline employees in the industry.

 

[700UW]

Never stated otherwise the majority of activists are all DL FAs, is that too hard for you to understand?

Keep dodging and throwing garbage to distract from the real message, it's not working.

It's quite clear you have NO IDEA how an organizing campaign works, I have been part of numerous ones, have you?

Really how stupid are you?

Everyone associated with the campaign knows what the IAM spends is public record, you can't say the same about DL.

So when are you going post what and whom DL paid against representation?

 

[Kev3188]

Can't fault him too much; it's far from anything he ever dealt with.

 

[700UW]

Then he should educate himself instead of believing whatever DL and the third parties put out.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I can absolutely get the concept that the majority of DL employees are not paid by the IAM.

But if EVEN ONE of them is, then the campaign is NOT grassroots.

So how your mantra will be "but it's MOSTLY DL employees" nevermind that the money comes from the IAM - or are you now going to tell us that DL employees have been buying the donuts out of their own pocket?

as with so many other datapoints we get from 700 and the IAM, accuracy and the truth are casualties of an effort to increase dues revenue.

If the IAM is throwing in its own cash, it isn't first and foremost focused on what DL employees getting what they want.

If it were, then the IAM would not need to charge anything... or make sure 99.9% of it stays and is used for DL employees in that workgroup.

But we know that isn't happening at any IAM shop and never will.

I am impressed how quickly you two joined forces and dropped into damage control overdrive mode on the weekend.

 

[700UW]

You don't get it seriously, get a clue.

No group can succeed without backing.

You are not even in the ball park with your posts, you will never understand.

Who the heck are you to say it's not grassroots?

You are clueless on organizing.

 

[southwind]

You are clueless of course it's grassroots the majority of the work is done by DL FAs not IAM staff.

Is it too hard for you to grasp that concept?

But hey you will throw out anything that distracts from the real message and cause.

You truly are ignorant on how organizing campaigns work.

 
I know the last 2 FA campaigns failed, does that count?
Oh, and that ramp has been signing cards since the merger!

 

[WorldTraveler]

No group can succeed without backing.

Yeah, actually most of us do get it.

We just wouldn't call an IAM funded organizing campaign "grassroots"

but then we have never held you or the IAM up as the model for "truth in advertising"

DL people aren't hoodwinked by the big spending IAM ad campaign - which is why they have rejected the IAM over and over and over.

 

[700UW]

Ok mr anti-worker and anti-union.

What ever you say.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I am FOR workers being able to make the right choice on their own.

let's get past the nonsense that this is a DL employee effort.

If it takes big union money to get a union elected, then you shouldn't be surprised or bemoan that DL uses its own money or uses consultants in the process either.

 

[Kev3188]

Who says its "nonsense?"

You stating that does not make it fact.