Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[WorldTraveler]

the IAM doesn't have to tell where the money came from.

It does have to say where it spends it.

When the names of DL employees are listed as being paid salaries by the IAM, then it makes the claims that the representation campaigns at DL are grassroots nothing but a lie.

thanks for the info on UA's insourcing work but they don't list it in their financial documents. If the work they do inhouse is enough to affect UA's own internal financial metrics and they don't declare it, they are distorting their own finances and deceiving investors.
I suspect their insourced work in total is not near as large as large as you want to believe it is - or anywhere near the volume that DL brings in.

 

[topDawg]

the IAM doesn't have to tell where the money came from.

It does have to say where it spends it.

When the names of DL employees are listed as being paid salaries by the IAM, then it makes the claims that the representation campaigns at DL are grassroots nothing but a lie.

thanks for the info on UA's insourcing work but they don't list it in their financial documents. If the work they do inhouse is enough to affect UA's own internal financial metrics and they don't declare it, they are distorting their own finances and deceiving investors.
I suspect their insourced work in total is not near as large as large as you want to believe it is - or anywhere near the volume that DL brings in.

 
And again so you are avoiding the question because you don't know what you are talking about....... I figured
 
 
Delta doesn't list just the TechOps numbers. The list company wide insourcing. (ie DTO, ramp insourcing, I think DGS etc.) 
 
United has ~50 customers or so..... 

 

[WorldTraveler]

You forgot to add "outsourced" to your list.

Nevertheless, I'm sure that would make some people very happy.

and Kev,
as much as you continue to paint DL as the villain that has taken away all of the joy you had in your working career, you would do well to remember that NW's board agreed to the merger - and it was a merger- with the very clear stipulations that DL would be the controlling and surviving entity with little doubt as to which company would be in charge or whose culture would be retained.

Northwest Airlines made the decision to pursue the merger and they did so knowing full well that DL was the best choice even though NW and DL were the first of the megamergers which means either could have chosen any other partner.

Even though some LOVE to try to argue that DL has done nothing but screw up its acquired Pacific network, it was clear that NW's Pacific strategy wasn't working, including by DOT data that shows it lost lots of money punctuated by some profits, and would require enormous resources and new ideas to overhaul it.

domestically and to Europe, NW was a very strong carrier in the Midwest but it was very weak in most other regions of the country. NW was the only of the big 6 that had virtually no presence in Latin America.

NW made the decision to merge with DL and DL asserted its control over the merger to ensure that it would be successful.

There is absolutely no doubt that by any measure except the dissatisfaction of a minority of employees that the merger has been enormously successful.

dawg,
insourcing revenue regardless of the source affects mainline cost calculations. UA simply does not generate the volume of revenue in non-transportation revenue that Dl does or else they are willing to allow their mainline performance be skewed by not separating non-mainline air transportation costs and revenues.

 

[topDawg]

and Kev,
as much as you continue to paint DL as the villain that has taken away all of the joy you had in your working career, you would do well to remember that NW's board agreed to the merger - and it was a merger- with the very clear stipulations that DL would be the controlling and surviving entity with little doubt as to which company would be in charge or whose culture would be retained.

Northwest Airlines made the decision to pursue the merger and they did so knowing full well that DL was the best choice even though NW and DL were the first of the megamergers which means either could have chosen any other partner.

Even though some LOVE to try to argue that DL has done nothing but screw up its acquired Pacific network, it was clear that NW's Pacific strategy wasn't working, including by DOT data that shows it lost lots of money punctuated by some profits, and would require enormous resources and new ideas to overhaul it.

domestically and to Europe, NW was a very strong carrier in the Midwest but it was very weak in most other regions of the country. NW was the only of the big 6 that had virtually no presence in Latin America.

NW made the decision to merge with DL and DL asserted its control over the merger to ensure that it would be successful.

There is absolutely no doubt that by any measure except the dissatisfaction of a minority of employees that the merger has been enormously successful.

dawg,
insourcing revenue regardless of the source affects mainline cost calculations. UA simply does not generate the volume of revenue in non-transportation revenue that Dl does or else they are willing to allow their mainline performance be skewed by not separating non-mainline air transportation costs and revenues.

Again, never said United was as large as DTO
 
I said United has plenty of OAL and MIL work however. 

 

[WorldTraveler]

and plenty of work can well be true .... it has just not reached a threshold large enough for them to separate it.

 

[Kev3188]

and Kev,as much as you continue to paint DL as the villain that has taken away all of the joy you had in your working career, you would do well to remember that NW's board agreed to the merger - and it was a merger- with the very clear stipulations that DL would be the controlling and surviving entity with little doubt as to which company would be in charge or whose culture would be retained.Northwest Airlines made the decision to pursue the merger and they did so knowing full well that DL was the best choice even though NW and DL were the first of the megamergers which means either could have chosen any other partner.Even though some LOVE to try to argue that DL has done nothing but screw up its acquired Pacific network, it was clear that NW's Pacific strategy wasn't working, including by DOT data that shows it lost lots of money punctuated by some profits, and would require enormous resources and new ideas to overhaul it.domestically and to Europe, NW was a very strong carrier in the Midwest but it was very weak in most other regions of the country. NW was the only of the big 6 that had virtually no presence in Latin America.NW made the decision to merge with DL and DL asserted its control over the merger to ensure that it would be successful.There is absolutely no doubt that by any measure except the dissatisfaction of a minority of employees that the merger has been enormously successful.dawg,insourcing revenue regardless of the source affects mainline cost calculations. UA simply does not generate the volume of revenue in non-transportation revenue that Dl does or else they are willing to allow their mainline performance be skewed by not separating non-mainline air transportation costs and revenues.

Never said anything about the company. In fact, I specifically used the word people, as in individual human beings.

 

[topDawg]

and plenty of work can well be true .... it has just not reached a threshold large enough for them to separate it.

none of that matters. 
 
point is UA does plenty of insourcing of engines too. 
 
 
and they are GASP in a union..... EVERYBODY RUNNNNNNNNNNNN

 

[Kev3188]

Lol.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I'm not sure who you think would be happy if anyone's job would be outsourced.

and I would have loved for you to be able to stay employed at NW - but people often lose what they want at the hands of events that are far bigger than individual people -including the housing crisis, wars, and on and on.

Nonetheless, DL and NW agreed that DL's culture would remain and that undoubtedly included a recognition that DL needed all the advantages it could get to retain DL's historic non-union culture for the majority of DL employees.

again, I am sorry for you that you lost as much as you did - but you aren't and won't be the first person in a similar situation.

Instead of trying to find everything wrong with DL and enlisting a team to join you in trashing DL and its practices, this might be as good of a time as any to recognize that the majority of DL people are happy with the DL they work for or at least do not see a union as offering any better alternative.

 

[topDawg]

I'm not sure who you think would be happy if anyone's job would be outsourced.

and I would have loved for you to be able to stay employed at NW - but people often lose what they want at the hands of events that are far bigger than individual people -including the housing crisis, wars, and on and on.

Nonetheless, DL and NW agreed that DL's culture would remain and that undoubtedly included a recognition that DL needed all the advantages it could get to retain DL's historic non-union culture for the majority of DL employees.

again, I am sorry for you that you lost as much as you did - but you aren't and won't be the first person in a similar situation.

Instead of trying to find everything wrong with DL and enlisting a team to join you in trashing DL and its practices, this might be as good of a time as any to recognize that the majority of DL people are happy with the DL they work for or at least do not see a union as offering any better alternative.

 
 
uh what exactly are you talking about? 

 

[Kev3188]

Good question. Lemme know if you find out...

 

[WorldTraveler]

that team that I was talking about is alive and well.

 

[topDawg]

that team that I was talking about is alive and well.

I don't think anyone knows wtf you are rambling about at this point..... 

 

[southwind]

none of that matters. 
 
point is UA does plenty of insourcing of engines too. 
 
 
and they are GASP in a union..... EVERYBODY RUNNNNNNNNNNNN

Seems to me, from reading some of your previous post, your pro union and not too happy about DL mechanics not being unionized.
If so, why aren't you A. Starting a drive or B. Looking for employment at an airline that has a unionized workforce, in place?

 

[700UW]

Seems to me, from reading some of your previous post, your pro union and not too happy about DL mechanics not being unionized.
If so, why aren't you A. Starting a drive or B. Looking for employment at an airline that has a unionized workforce, in place?

Can you ever comprehend what you read on these boards?

I mean you cant be that uneducated.
 
TopDawg has posted numerous times he doesnt want a union at DL for Maintenance.
 
But he supports a workers right to be unionized.
 
SMH, seriously??