Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[ThirdSeatHero]

iow, the airline union decertification is just as much as a phantom event as "I gave DL a chance"

if either existed, it would take absolutely no time to provide the evidence.

 
Just as it should take you no time to simply admit you are wrong.

 

[WorldTraveler]

based on the information you provided, you are indeed right.

which would mean that decertification has indeed taken place.

while Allegiant isn't some great unknown name, it isn't exactly one of the big legacy airlines or even LCCs that would indicate that a carrier's employees can easily get rid of a union.

specific to DL or B6, no large airline employee workforce has voted in a union with the expectation that they can dump it if it doesn't work out.


at least you gave me the decertification example.

I'm still waiting for the dates for Kev's "I gave the company a chance"

I don't think there are enough days left in my life to sit up waiting for his evidence.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

based on the information you provided, you are indeed right.

which would mean that decertification has indeed taken place.

while Allegiant isn't some great unknown name, it isn't exactly one of the big legacy airlines or even LCCs that would indicate that a carrier's employees can easily get rid of a union.

specific to DL or B6, no large airline employee workforce has voted in a union with the expectation that they can dump it if it doesn't work out.


at least you gave me the decertification example.

I'm still waiting for the dates for Kev's "I gave the company a chance"

I don't think there are enough days left in my life to sit up waiting for his evidence.

 
Nice try - If DL rampers go IAM and 2 or 3 years later want out they could do the EXACT SAME THING
 
The size of the group doesn't matter - the process is the same.

 

[Kev3188]

That truth doesn't whip people into the same visceral frenzy as saying people are stuck with a union forever...

 

[WorldTraveler]

Nice try - If DL rampers go IAM and 2 or 3 years later want out they could do the EXACT SAME THING
 
The size of the group doesn't matter - the process is the same.

except it simply hasn't happened at any large airline and reading the Allegiant document shows precisely why.

the AA/US forum on this site is proof positive.

DL people don't take chances with STDs or union representation.

once you get either one, there is no assurance you can get rid of it.

and you will have to keep paying until a miracle comes along.

The wisest DL people have consistently JUST SAID NO.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

That truth doesn't whip people into the same visceral frenzy as saying people are stuck with a union forever...

 
Yeah, it isn't quite as ominous is it.

 

[WorldTraveler]

again, great job in finding an example.

DL people have consistently not seen a need for further unions whether they can get rid of them if it doesn't work out or not.

let me guess that the reason you decided to jump into this discussion is because AA/US labor relations are the shining example that everyone else wants to follow?

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

except it simply hasn't happened at any large airline and reading the Allegiant document shows precisely why.

the AA/US forum on this site is proof positive.

DL people don't take chances with STDs or union representation.

once you get either one, there is no assurance you can get rid of it.

and you will have to keep paying until a miracle comes along.

The wisest DL people have consistently JUST SAID NO.

 
Size of the carrier means nothing, the NMB rules govern air carriers and unions the same way.
 
YOU ARE WRONG!

 

[WorldTraveler]

and once again you aren't capable of realizing that size does matter in a process that is clearly spelled out in the Allegiant NMB case.

You also use as evidence that the process works a workgroup that includes a sum total of 17 people.

Yes, it is possible to decertify with a 17 people department.

You have provided no evidence that it is possible or realistic for the workgroups that encompass tens of thousands of employees at the 4 largest airlines.

I'm not staying up for you to find an example of that... because history would have to be written first.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

again, great job in finding an example.

DL people have consistently not seen a need for further unions whether they can get rid of them if it doesn't work out or not.

let me guess that the reason you decided to jump into this discussion is because AA/US labor relations are the shining example that everyone else wants to follow?

 
Wow you really just can't admit you are wrong and walk away can you?
 
BTW you guess would be incorrect. I read all the boards, and comment as I see fit. You made a false statement and you got called on it, live with it.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I already did admit you are right - which would mean I am wrong.

But what you can't accept is that an example with 17 employees is hardly comparable to the size of the workgroups at the big 4 airlines including DL.

I'll modify my statement to say that it is virtually impossible to get rid of a union once elected.

and I'm still waiting for you to show me an example of a workgroup that is larger than what you can have over for beer and BBQ in the backyard to provide any relevance to what can happen at any major, legacy, or LCC US airline among their largest employee groups.

Like every other union sales geek, you drag out a single exception and act as if it can be used as the norm.

It is not.

it is a rare exception.

Not impossible but nowhere near anything that can be considered the norm.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

and once again you aren't capable of realizing that size does matter in a process that is clearly spelled out in the Allegiant NMB case.

You also use as evidence that the process works a workgroup that includes a sum total of 17 people.

Yes, it is possible to decertify with a 17 people department.

You have provided no evidence that it is possible or realistic for the workgroups that encompass tens of thousands of employees at the 4 largest airlines.

I'm not staying up for you to find an example of that... because history would have to be written first.

 
You are completely and utterly ignorant of the NMB rules and regs governing representational elections.
 
Size of the carrier/ labor group doesn't matter the rules are the same.
 
You have been proven wrong, and again, have provided the readers here another splendid example of your lack of both knowledge and integrity

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

I already did admit you are right - which would mean I am wrong.

But what you can't accept is that an example with 17 employees is hardly comparable to the size of the workgroups at the big 4 airlines including DL.

I'll modify my statement to say that it is virtually impossible to get rid of a union once elected.

and I'm still waiting for you to show me an example of a workgroup that is larger than what you can have over for beer and BBQ in the backyard to provide any relevance to what can happen at any major, legacy, or LCC US airline among their largest employee groups.

Like every other union sales geek, you drag out a single exception and act as if it can be used as the norm.

It is not.

it is a rare exception.

Not impossible but nowhere near anything that can be considered the norm.

 
PROVE IT!
 
You've made a ridiculous statement in another of your pathetic attempts to appear "less wrong"
 
I provided a link proving you wrong
 
Its your turn to substantiate your nonsense - provide proof the same rules and regs cited on the Allegiant case can't work for Delta

 

[WorldTraveler]

you provided a link that shows a workgroup of 17 people - probably the smallest represented group even at Allegiant.

No one is arguing that the rules are any different for larger workgroups.

but it simply hasn't happened for larger workgroups or you should be able to provide evidence.

and it still doesn't change that DL employees have consistently voted for no further representation.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

you provided a link that shows a workgroup of 17 people - probably the smallest represented group even at Allegiant.

No one is arguing that the rules are any different for larger workgroups.

but it simply hasn't happened for larger workgroups or you should be able to provide evidence.

and it still doesn't change that DL employees have consistently voted for no further representation.

 
Nice try at deflection - I never said a thing about DLs union vote track record.
 
The Allegiant case proves your statements on the matter are false - the fact that a similar decertification hasn't occurred on a major carrier doesn't change the fact that your statements on union decertification were wrong.