Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[BABABOOY]

And only you and your friend 700 see that. Of the posters on here that actually work at DL. Oh wait he doesn't and never did work here.

 
Some think by reading FB they have a grasp of what the F/A's want.  
A few postings and a picture here and there have some convinced that the IAM 
is wanted by a majority.  Those believing so, are so removed from reality as to the mindset of Delta F/A's.

 

[700UW]

I hear and read the buyout offer sucks.

 

[Kev3188]

And only you and your friend 700 see that. Of the posters on here that actually work at DL. Oh wait he doesn't and never did work here.

I'm only relating my experience. If you see other groups outside of the ramp & IFS that are interested in representation, say something. I'd be happy to be corrected...

 

[Kev3188]

I hear and read the buyout offer sucks.

I wouldn't say it sucks, but it's not necessarily the kind of EO that will get people to storm the exits like a couple of previous ones have...

 

[Albert]

We still have freight at AA. We lost Cabin service and mail house in the BK

At LGA AA lost freight years ago

 

[metopower]

I'm only relating my experience. If you see other groups outside of the ramp & IFS that are interested in representation, say something. I'd be happy to be corrected...

What you experience is what you experience. My friends that work at inflight,gates and on the ramp have no interest. But remember they are senior and not RR . That is MY experience.

 

[Kev3188]

And a totally valid one at that, I'm sure.

All the more reason to get to a vote and get a resolution, IMO...

 

[WeAAsles]

Nice and peaceful on here today.

It's a welcome reprieve for sure.

 

[topDawg]

3sh,
this is the DL forum and the organizing climate does matter here.

While it is true that you brought an example where a union has been decertified, one example involving 17 people is clearly an anomaly and cannot be viewed as the norm.

If unions could easily be decertified, this board would have a whole lot less traffic esp. on the AA forum given the extraordinary displeasure for the TWU that is regularly voiced.

It is also noteable that the case shows that other Allegiant workgroups would like to get rid of their unions but have not succeeded.

Given that no other large airline workgroup has succeeded and the best case is a group of 17 employees, then impossible may be the wrong word but being anywhere close to normal to accomplish is indeed accurate.

exactly like I said. You were proved wrong and now you are going to backtrack and spin out of it. Sad. 
 

the blood is on your hand.

DL employees don't receive pay from a union and then you get to call it grassroots

I do manage to find all kinds of things exactly like this that completely blow the message you work so hard to create.

and with paid IAM employees being the same people on DL's payroll, the reasons for the IAM having to pull the representation application seem more obvious by the day.
DL knows full well who is double dipping; they are just waiting for the DOJ to figure it out and show the blood on the IAM's hands.

almost $20K in SALARIES - not even including expenses - to 2 DL employees is a nice little side job.

who are you exactly? When did you become king of the world? 
 

 
More absurdity I see ...
 
You were proven wrong, and since you cannot refute the facts of the matter you're now making a laughably ridiculous attempt to try and marginalize my example.
 
Your entire premise is flawed - 17 people or 17,000 people makes no difference - Allegiant airlines collected cards, petitioned the NMB, had an election, and had their CBA decertified - ALL PER NMB RULES & REGULATIONS. 
 
JUST - AS - ANY - OTHER - AIRLINE - MEMBERSHIP - IS - FREE - TO - DO.
 
Just because they haven't done it in no way equates to "THEY CAN'T DO IT" The rules are the same.
 
Just because you are obviously ignorant of the rules governing union elections/decertifications, that has absolutely no bearing on the difficulty of obtaining one. Further, your pathetic attempt to use the discord at AA with the TWU is sheer and utter nonsense. It is obscenely obvious that the vast majority who want out of the TWU still want union representation.
 
Nice Try   

exactly. I have yet to talk to someone at AA who wants to be without a union. Plenty want the TWU gone though. 
 

I was on the bus with a senior DL employee the other night as we passed the DL freight office I asked why he didnt bid the freight job to stay out of the weather. He said all those jobs are Ready Reserve. Just when I  was going to say why are you are giving easy jobs to the junior people  I realized  that AA and US freight operations are contracted out to a vendor. So who is better off ?

What city? IIRC Delta only has a hand full of cargo cities left. Most are DGSed (including the SLC hub) 
 

Are you sure here at LGA I thought we lost catering and the  air freight office before bankruptcy we just had runners. Also in the 80s DL got rid of Cabin service and absorbed the employees into fleet service. When US lost the cleaners they were out in the street They hired vendors some represented by guess....  thats right the IAM. 700 I didnt just fall off the turnip truck

might have happened that way but Delta has done more than its fair share of putting ramp people on the street. 
 

And only you and your friend 700 see that. Of the posters on here that actually work at DL. Oh wait he doesn't and never did work here.

I know quite a few people on the ramp who at FT and have turned in IAM cards. 
 
Harder to find in ATL because ATL gets taken care of the best. Its not to hard to get into FT from RR here either. 
 
Most FAs I have talked to would go union but are eh on the IAM. Can't blame em (sorry Kev) 
 

I'm only relating my experience. If you see other groups outside of the ramp & IFS that are interested in representation, say something. I'd be happy to be corrected...

I have met a hand full of people in maintenance that want a union.
 
Most however don't and if they did they would want the same thing I want. (in-house or AMFA)  

 

[diamondcutter]

Nice and peaceful on here today.
It's a welcome reprieve for sure.

What a great day it would be if her were put out in the cornfield for awhile.....no wait forever!!

Just look at the flow of the post , one would have to be oblivious to not see how much better this forum is!!!!

 

[southwind]

 
 

I have met a hand full of people in maintenance that want a union.
 
Most however don't and if they did they would want the same thing I want. (in-house or AMFA)  

Ditto.

 

[WeAAsles]

Ditto.

Southwind I'm curious about something. In your career at Delta have you ever had a moment where a manager got a little wordy with you? Ever scold or reprimand you and basically say "You better make sure that never happens again" or anything similar that made you feel like dirt?

Are you able to stand up and throw it back in their face? Have you? If you have were you nervous that that manager may be gunning for you? Or when it happened (And I'm sure it's had to have happened a few times) do you just capitulate to the verbal assault and walk away shaking in anger because you were too afraid to say something back to that guy? 

Honestly I know very well what that feels like. I didn't start working in a Union job until I was 30. You know you go home at the end of your shift and your entire night is destroyed because you're so angry. Because you feel like a weenie (Insert stronger word). You might even be shaking because you're so mad? Then the next day you see that manager again and you have no choice but to put your head down just a little and hope he doesn't target you again. 

I guess I just get to enjoy a different way of being able to deal with that then you do. 😀 

 

[700UW]

http://commondreams.org/news/2015/09/11/evidence-keeps-piling-unions-are-very-very-very-good-workers?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=socialnetwork
 

Evidence Keeps Piling Up: Unions Are Very, Very, Very Good for Workers



'When working people speak with one voice, our economy is stronger, and all workers do better.'

 

[1AA]

And yet AA's FA are higher paid and compensated under their CBA than their DL counterparts.
 
Everything in a CBA has value, which DL's FAs dont have, they are employees at will.
 
And my post was about Ramp, not Pilots, nor FAs.
 
So how have 40% of DL's ACS who are ready reserve have the highest increases in compensation when they only get one raise, have no benefits and top out at $12 an hour and have their hours capped?

AA'S flight attendants are highest paid mainly because they are not represented by the IAM and they dumped the TWU back in the 70's. The AA flight attendants also went with one union to represent all flight attendants from the UsAir and AA side. No scam association for them and the AA pilots. One union, one voice.

 

[700UW]

Are you sure about that?
 
I will give you a chance to answer before I show you that you are incorrect on certain things.