Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[WeAAsles]

Only posting here currently what Delta FA's are saying:

"You don't "lose" it to taxes. If you are not put into a higher tax bracket you will get it back. It is taxed at a higher rate because it is considered windfall. At the end of the day you should see most of that back. More importantly is the savings to company and potential losses to us because of it. Let me explain:
1) DL takes this money in the 4th quarter and posts it as a cost thereby lowering their profit and their tax burden.
2) In Feb. the profits of the previous year are lower because of the "loss" of paying out in Oct. Thereby reducing your Feb. balance check while DL still recognizes the tax break that they took in the 4th quarter of 2014.

Effing brilliant boys. And you get the minions to see this as a benefit to boot. If you get some "no" votes out of it then even more gravy. Wow. And we feel respected for this?"




"XXXXX answered the rationale for giving us this check early. It is a tax hedge for the company. Additionally, they may be able to save themselves from having to pay us the higher percentage (20% instead of 10%) if they miss hitting the next target. Read about the formula for profit sharing."




"EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!
This is what we need to all focus on.
The company isn't giving us anything *extra*...they're just giving us a portion *early*.
This isn't because they're *nice* or because they *care about us*, it's because it's what's best for them and the shareholders! Bottom line! They only ever do stuff because it benefits them and the shareholders.....EVER!
And, by doing this, at this strategic moment, we are getting less in profit sharing in February. Don't fall for it; this isn't extra money to buy Xmas presents, or pay down your credit cards. Please remember this when mgmt and the no-wayers try to spin this. Go back and read XXXXX's comment above. It's a clear, concise explanation of what the company is doing, and how it benefits them, and how it screws us."
 

 

[737823]

You realize several of us are also active members and participants in the discussion on FB? It's not like you are posting anything unique or original.

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

 
 

You realize several of us are also active members and participants in the discussion on FB?

Are you including yourself in that statement?

 

[FWAAA]

Only posting here currently what Delta FA's are saying:

"You don't "lose" it to taxes. If you are not put into a higher tax bracket you will get it back. It is taxed at a higher rate because it is considered windfall. At the end of the day you should see most of that back. More importantly is the savings to company and potential losses to us because of it. Let me explain:
1) DL takes this money in the 4th quarter and posts it as a cost thereby lowering their profit and their tax burden.
2) In Feb. the profits of the previous year are lower because of the "loss" of paying out in Oct. Thereby reducing your Feb. balance check while DL still recognizes the tax break that they took in the 4th quarter of 2014.

Effing brilliant boys. And you get the minions to see this as a benefit to boot. If you get some "no" votes out of it then even more gravy. Wow. And we feel respected for this?"

The internet has made it very easy for people to pontificate on subjects they know nothing about.  The flight attendant posting the bolded part above is hopelessly ignorant of the basics of accrual accounting, tax law and the DL profit sharing scheme.
 
I'm no apologist for Delta or Richard Anderson - it's obvious that DL is paying out the first half 2014 profit sharing early to help sway any unionization vote, but DL isn't doing it for the fabricated nonsensical reasons listed by the flight attendant above.   

 

[737823]

Are you including yourself in that statement?

Yes.

Josh

 

[WorldTraveler]

From where are you getting this ignorant nonsense?

 
uh... a US FA posted a comment about US losing crew rest seats on several European sectors. I've repeatedly asked the question if this applies to all AA segments and no one has denied it or confirmed either what the US FA posted or the notion.

you wanna take a stab at it?


 

Only posting here currently what Delta FA's are saying:

"You don't "lose" it to taxes. If you are not put into a higher tax bracket you will get it back. It is taxed at a higher rate because it is considered windfall. At the end of the day you should see most of that back. More importantly is the savings to company and potential losses to us because of it. Let me explain:
1) DL takes this money in the 4th quarter and posts it as a cost thereby lowering their profit and their tax burden.
2) In Feb. the profits of the previous year are lower because of the "loss" of paying out in Oct. Thereby reducing your Feb. balance check while DL still recognizes the tax break that they took in the 4th quarter of 2014.

Effing brilliant boys. And you get the minions to see this as a benefit to boot. If you get some "no" votes out of it then even more gravy. Wow. And we feel respected for this?"




"XXXXX answered the rationale for giving us this check early. It is a tax hedge for the company. Additionally, they may be able to save themselves from having to pay us the higher percentage (20% instead of 10%) if they miss hitting the next target. Read about the formula for profit sharing."




"EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!
This is what we need to all focus on.
The company isn't giving us anything *extra*...they're just giving us a portion *early*.
This isn't because they're *nice* or because they *care about us*, it's because it's what's best for them and the shareholders! Bottom line! They only ever do stuff because it benefits them and the shareholders.....EVER!
And, by doing this, at this strategic moment, we are getting less in profit sharing in February. Don't fall for it; this isn't extra money to buy Xmas presents, or pay down your credit cards. Please remember this when mgmt and the no-wayers try to spin this. Go back and read XXXXX's comment above. It's a clear, concise explanation of what the company is doing, and how it benefits them, and how it screws us."

and the notion that DL saves ANYTHING by paying it now vs. in Feb is complete nonsense.

DL pays taxes based on what it earns in 2014. The profit sharing which is an expense is accrued and paid with all of the legal requirements regardless of when it is paid out to employees.

Yes, DL employees are getting an ADVANCE on their profit sharing... 5% of it. They have ALREADY accrued far more of their profit sharing than they did in 2013 and are on track to accrue more than 12 and possibly 14% so they are likely going to receive a check which is somewhat less than their Feb 14, 2014 profit check THIS week and then another that will likely be comparable in size to the Feb 2014 check AGAIN on Feb 14 2015.


again, the lengths to which AA people are trying to discredit the profit sharing that DL people have is notable.

of course you are trying to diss something which your unions passed on even while DL employees gain far more in earnings.

to argue any nonsense about 401ks or taxes simply is an attempt to hide behind the fact that AA labor unions screwed it up royally and want to discredit anyone who gains more than they do.

fire the leadership and blame the employees at AA who wouldn't listen to the years and years of experts who said the industry would be profitable as a result of all of the industry consolidation.

it is and airline employees are benefitting.

AA employees are just not benefitting near as much.

 

[WeAAsles]

Uh you might want to look again? I'm not dissing or discrediting anything on here or on the FB thread about the PS. I'm merely posting a few comments here from all of those happy go lucky Delta employees you keep telling us about. (?)

Have to admit it's one of the first times I've ever been a part of a group where it wasn't the same names posting over and over and just has lot's of members who don't participate. I actually can't keep up to all the threads and posts.

Didn't you get the invite to the page?

 

[diamondcutter]

What the FA said and posted is wrong! Wow , then you took it and ran with it many times. If someone doesn't answer your question it the must be true? Again you constantly dicredit yourself!! You are DL's very own snake oil salesmen nothing more!

 

[WeAAsles]

Ok I just double checked. I haven't made one single comment on that PS thread. Lot's of others yes, but not that one. 🙂

 

[WeAAsles]

I like this thread:
 

DID YOU KNOW?----------------------------------------------------------
1.) Union dues are payroll deducted just once a month, not twice!
2.) That those union dues are tax deductable when you file!
3.) That unionized Flight Attendants’ sick calls and other occurrences usually only stay on their record for 9 months!
4.) That at our company, it can be any length... 9, 12 months or up to 3 years!
5.) That with a union, you have a right to bring in a union rep. anytime you are called in!
6.) That no Manager cares if you do bring in that union rep! ( It’s common practice.)
7.) That the towers of anti-union flyers you see in the Inflight lounges would be replaced with union boards full of information and contact numbers!
8.) Do you know that our Pilots and the Pilots AND Flight Attendants at every unionized airline have something called “SCOPE!
9.) Did you know that “SCOPE” legally forbids your employer from outsourcing you!
10.) That with a union and contract that your airline can still give you a raise!
11.) That all large airlines have that special day in initial training where you watch a slide show with moving music and photos of airplanes taking off and landing! ( Flight Attendants at the other airlines also love their companies! )
12.) Did you know that Wal-mart also tells their employees that a union would ruin their special culture!
13.) That our Pilots settled their last union contract negotiations in just months!
14.) That even if it did take awhile to negotiate a contract, that many times “retro” pay comes in to play. Imagine getting a contract along with a big check!
15.) That when negotiating a contract, the union will look at what other unionized groups at your airline are getting along with what other Flight Attendants at other unionized airlines get. If the airline will not negotiate in good faith, then an Arbitration Judge is brought in!
16.) That our Pilots get 270 hours of sick time a year because of their union contract. You get 49!
17.) That with a union you can still love your company and job!
18.) That with a union you will have a Professional Standards Committee where you can voice a concern to a co-worker….without the company being able to know about it!
19.) That with a union there will be a Safety Committee that looks at things such as cart safety, carriers, galleys, etc! ( You would have a say…)
20.)That CEOs do not have to take care of you! ( Who will be our next CEO? )
21.) That we all like the A-day system and just want to make improvements on it… such as pay, and a limit to how many years one could be with 6 A-days! ( that is just not right! )
22.) That you CAN sign a card while on probation!
23.) That with a union if you get hurt on the job, you will be protected by your union!
24.) That at NWA we got COMPLETE uniform replacements every 2 years! ( For me that was 2 blazers, 4 pants, 6 shirts and ties! )
25.) That you can stop in a see your Manager anytime as a unionized F/A!
26.) That your company can NOT see, know or ask if you signed a card!
27.) That when the election is called. That you will start receiving huge glossy mailings from your company trying hard to confuse you on the subject of unionizing!
28.) You will probably NEVER have to deal with anyone from your Master union. You will not be required to attend any union meeting.
29.) That you can NOT have a witness or Lawyer with you if you are called-in on anything without a union!
30.) That “AT-WILL” means that your employment is at the will of your employer!
31.) That bad employees can be fired with a union. ( just takes longer )
32.) That as a good employee it would be very hard to be fired with a union behind you!
33.) That the union called the AFA was the force that got smoking off commercial flights!
34.) That the I AM represented Continental Flight Attendants and had the highest pay. Yes, they merged with United and voted in United’s AFA….because there were more United F/As than there were Continental F/As. ( People fear change…sound familiar? )
35.) That the I A M is the union we are trying to get in!
36.) That on our level….WE…… you, me and all the Flight Attendants here would be the union!
37.) That by law with a union our employer has to negotiate with us in regard to pay and work rules!
38.) That even with a union you do not have to wear your union pin or display a bag tag! (Your participation is up to you! )
39.) That Marin Luther King, Jr. was Pro- Union!
40.) That you will love the camaraderie a union brings!
41.) That non-union workers earn less in pay and benefits than their unionized counter-parts!
42.) That your employer knows the above and is desperately trying to keep it out for that reason and that reason ONLY!
43.) That we lost our last election by just 100 and something swing votes.
44.) That many who voted against unionization in that last election now regret it!
45.) That with a union WE as a group get to take surveys and then vote on what WE would like in OUR contract! ( Just like OUR Pilots got to do! )
46.) And OUR Pilots seem to love the company too….and they are unionized!
47.) That our probation period for new hires is in place to mimic other unionized companies. The difference is that at those other companies after probation they become permanent employees via their contracts!
48.) Did you know that XXXXXXXX is famous and a very nice person!
49.) Did you know that as an airline worker you fall under the Railway Labor Act and are suppose to have a union!
50.) With a union you have the right to see your file at anytime!

 

[737823]

WeAA-
Again why are you reposting content from FB? This is a forum not an RSS feed, numerous posters here are engaged with those discussions on FB not sure what you think you are adding by cross posting it here. Furthermore you are AA TWU FSC, you aren't a DL F/A and your union negotiated AWAY profit sharing. As 700 would say it's amazing F/As think they know more than CPAs and financial planners when it comes to taxation and tax planning strategies.

Josh

 

[diamondcutter]

WeAA-
Again why are you reposting content from FB? This is a forum not an RSS feed, numerous posters here are engaged with those discussions on FB not sure what you think you are adding by cross posting it here. Furthermore you are AA TWU FSC, you aren't a DL F/A and your union negotiated AWAY profit sharing. As 700 would say it's amazing F/As think they know more than CPAs and financial planners when it comes to taxation and tax planning strategies.
Josh

And you are not an employee!!!!! This is an open forum!!!!!!

 

[WeAAsles]

WeAA-
Again why are you reposting content from FB? This is a forum not an RSS feed, numerous posters here are engaged with those discussions on FB not sure what you think you are adding by cross posting it here. Furthermore you are AA TWU FSC, you aren't a DL F/A and your union negotiated AWAY profit sharing. As 700 would say it's amazing F/As think they know more than CPAs and financial planners when it comes to taxation and tax planning strategies.

Josh

Well Joshie there is a particular individual here under the erroneous impression that Delta employees are all happy go lucky, singing in the rain and skipping through the park over the idea that they are well taken care of at that company. My point is merely to try and get that individual to see the light of day and de-cult him. (Not possible I'm sure)

The reality here is simple. Us PRO UNION people are wasting our time here on AF Delta and especially in this thread. I look down and am not sure that I have EVER seen more than 5 people reading here at a time? The ACTION is over on Facebook. This site is merely a diversion from getting into the thick of it where people hang out. This is like that neighborhood old man bar that no women ever come into because it smells of stale beer.

Hey Kev, the Delta FA Pro page is humming and I also joined the Pro Fleet page as well. It looks like most of the momentum right now is with the FA's. I believe once that turns from red to green, your guys will start to hum as well. It's only a matter of time and inevitable. 

I suggest the few of us who comment on here get out of this bar and join the party over at FB. They're calling and they're very nice and fun to hang around with.

 

[737823]

And you are not an employee!!!!! This is an open forum!!!!!!

For those keeping score pretty sure the only active DL employees are:

1) Southwind
2) metopower
3) Kev3188
4) topdawg

How come you haven't asked others to stay away? I'm not opposed to WeAA posting just saying he should add something original and not simply restate what is already being discussed.

Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

For Josh and World Traveler:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI-Fzdrf9H4

 

You hiss and groan and you constantly moan
But you don't ever go away
And that is because
All you need is me
You roll your eyes up to the skies
Mock horrified
But you're still here
All you need is me
There's so much destruction
All over the world
And all you can do is
Complain about me
You bang your head against the wall
And say you're sick of it all
Yet you remain
'Cause all you need is me
And then you offer your one and only joke
And you ask me what will I be
When I grow up to be a man
Me, nothing
There's a soft voice singing in your head
Who can this be?
I do believe it's me
There's a naked man standing
Laughing in your dreams
You know who it is
But you don't like what it means
There's so much destruction
All over the world
And all you can do is
Complain about me
I was a small, skinny child in a welfare house
There was only one thing I ever dreamed about
Fate has just handed it to me, whoopee
You don't like me, but you love me
Either way you're wrong
You're gonna miss me when I'm gone
You're gonna miss me when I'm gone
You don't like me, but you love me
Either way you're wrong
You're gonna miss me when I'm gone
You're gonna miss me when I'm gone